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Board Of Aldermen - Minutes - 3/24/2020 - P5

By dnadmin on Sun, 11/06/2022 - 23:15
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Board of Aldermen 3-24-2020 Page 5

The primary goal is actually to get people to switch to the high deducible because if you know somebody
on that plan you can benefit significantly. You get paid to be on the plan, and that’s $3,000.00 a year; you
have a $4,000.00 deductible, family deductible and pay very little after that. But the gap between what you
save in cash and the deductible is only $1,000.00 but it creates great incentives to try to ensure quality
care while at the same time paying more affordable rates for things like lab tests and things like that.

In any event, if you talk with people who have the high deducible plan right here in City Hall, some of them
have been able to accumulate thousands of dollars, $10,000.00 or more over a period of 5 or 6 years and
that is money that you can take with us to another employer or if you leave ultimately it is treated like a
retirement plan. So there’s a lot to be gained. But for those who stay with the HMO once the plan changes
are incorporated, their working rates would actually go down by 15%, meaning monthly amount would
come out of your check and would go down by about 15%. The changes are relatively simple; pharmacy
co-pays are increased from $5/$15 and $35 to $10 / $30 and $50, those are the deductibles. The major
increase is the increase in the deductible for the people who have in-patient hospital visits or out-patient
hospital or urgent care visits. Those deductibles would go from $250.00 for an individual and $500.00 for a
two person or family plan to $1,500.00 and $3,000.00 respectively. But again, this accomplishes two
things. First of all for the employees it encourages them to go to the high deducible plan, which even
though the title of it sounds very negative, it’s not. If you look into the details people really benefit from it.
There are certain groups of employees we have where 50% of the employees are on the high deductible
plan. Number two, even if you stay with the HMO’s your weekly deduction from your paycheck, the
employee’s paycheck would go down by 15%. And the City would also save money.

The reason | am mentioning this at length tonight is the enrollment period for the unaffiliated employees
and all employees is Mid-April, so if we are going to institute this we need to do it by the first meeting in
April, | know that we have limited Committee Meetings. There are other groups of employees that are
probably going to accept, at least one group of employees is going to accept this in the near future as well
through negotiations and | think it is something that we have to incorporate in all of our labor contracts.

In any event, | apologize for the length of this, Madam President, but again | knew that you are not holding
a lot of Committee Meetings and | think it is something that will benefit the City Budget as well as bring
working rates down and encourage people to move into a more advantageous plan, the high deducible
plan. So | am hoping the Board of Aldermen will adopt this within the month, in other words, two weeks
from now. And | wanted to give the details so people would hear about it because of limited committee
meetings or if they are remote or if people can’t attend those meetings.

In any event, thank you for your indulgence, Madam President. That concludes my remarks.

President Wilshire

Thank you Mayor. Did | hear you say that you don’t need this until our second meeting in April?

Mayor Donchess

The first meeting, two meetings from now. Two meetings from now.

President Wilshire

Two meetings from now. No you mean our next meeting. One meeting.

Mayor Donchess

We need it at the next meeting, | am sorry.

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Board of Aldermen 3-24-2020 Page 6
President Wilshire

Very good. Responses to the remarks of the Mayor?

RESPONSE TO REMARKS OF THE MAYOR

Alderman Lopez

| just wanted to thank the Mayor for all of his efforts in addressing the Coronavirus and making sure that we
are flattening the curve as much as possible in advance of the event. | think a really effective and early
action and | think the public may not have fully understood the magnitude of what we were facing. So it
took a lot of courage and willpower to say well we are listening to the experts.

President Wilshire

Tom, can you speak a little louder or close to your mic? Thank you.

Alderman Lopez

Sure. | think it took a lot of courage to say we are listening to our Public Health Officials and we are doing
what is right for our constituents and our residents whether or not is it popular or not. So | just wanted to
thank the Mayor for taking that.

President Wilshire

All set Alderman Lopez?

Alderman Lopez

Yeah.

President Wilshire

Thank you. Anyone else, response to the Mayor? Alderman Dowd?

Alderman Dowd

Yes Jim | know you are extremely busy right now but could you, in the next couple of days, touch base with
me by phone so we can talk about the Budget Meetings?

Mayor Donchess

Yes, of course, no problem.
Alderman Dowd

Thank you.

President Wilshire

Anyone else, response to the Mayor?
Alderwoman Lu

Thank you. There was a lot | couldn’t hear Mayor Donchess. Can you hear me OK?

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Board Of Aldermen - Minutes - 3/24/2020 - P7

By dnadmin on Sun, 11/06/2022 - 23:15
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Board of Aldermen 3-24-2020 Page 7
Mayor Donchess

| can, | am sorry if you couldn’t hear me.

Alderwoman Lu

No that’s OK, | was just checking before | started. Did you say this represents a 3% decrease to
something, | didn’t ... or an increase?

Mayor Donchess

(inaudible)

President Wilshire

Jim is your mic, are you unmuted?

Mayor Donchess

| said that the amounts, that the employee pays, the so-called working rate for the employee will likely
decline 15%. That was the decline | was speaking of.

Alderwoman Lu

Thank you, | guess that is it.

RECOGNITION PERIOD - None

READING MINUTES OF PREVIOUS MEETINGS

There being no objection, President Wilshire declared the minutes of the Board of Aldermen
meetings of March 10, 2020 and March 16, 2020 accepted, placed on file, and the reading

suspended.

COMMUNICATIONS REQUIRING ONLY PROCEDURAL ACTIONS AND WRITTEN REPORTS
FROM LIAISONS

From: Alderwoman Elizabeth Lu
Re: Boards and Commissions the Aldermen are Members of and which they are Liaisons

There being no objection, President Wilshire accepted the communication, placed it on file.

From: Alderwoman Elizabeth Lu
Re: Liaison Report on the Nashua Arts Commission

There being no objection, President Wilshire suspended the rules and accepted a communication
from Alderman Lu regarding her Liaison Report on the Nashua Arts Commission.

PERIOD FOR PUBLIC COMMENT RELATIVE TO ITEMS EXPECTED TO BE ACTED UPON THIS
EVENING - None

COMMUNICATIONS REQUIRING FINAL APPROVAL - None

PETITIONS - None

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Board Of Aldermen - Minutes - 3/24/2020 - P8

By dnadmin on Sun, 11/06/2022 - 23:15
Document Date
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Meeting Description
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Board of Aldermen 3-24-2020 Page 8
NOMINATIONS, APPOINTMENTS AND ELECTIONS - None

REPORTS OF COMMITTEE

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There being no objection, President Wilshire declared the report of the March 9, 2020 Human Affairs
Committee accepted and placed on file.

CONFIRMATION OF MAYOR'S APPOINTMENTS - None
UNFINISHED BUSINESS — RESOLUTIONS - None
UNFINISHED BUSINESS — ORDINANCES - None

NEW BUSINESS — RESOLUTIONS

R-20-025
Endorser: Mayor Jim Donchess
Alderman-at-Large Michael O’Brien
Alderman Jan Schmidt
Alderman Richard Dowd
Alderman Linda Harriott-Gathright
RELATIVE TO THE APPROVAL OF FUNDING FOR THE REBUILD OF THE SOLID WASTE CAT
COMPACTOR FROM THE CAPITAL EQUIPMENT RESERVE FUND (“CERF”) DURING FY2020 IN
AN AMOUNT NOT TO EXCEED FIVE HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS ($500,000)
Given its first reading; assigned to the BUDGET REVIEW COMMITTEE by President Wilshire

R-20-026
Endorser: Mayor Jim Donchess
Alderman Linda Gathright
Alderman-at-Large Michael O’Brien
Alderman Patricia Klee
Alderwoman-at-Large Shoshanna Kelly
Alderman Jan Schmidt
Alderman Richard Dowd
Alderman-at-Large Lori Wilshire
ADOPTING THE 2020 CONSOLIDATED PLAN AND AUTHORIZING THE MAYOR TO APPLY FOR
AND EXPEND THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT BLOCK GRANT (“CDBG”) AND HOME
INVESTMENT PARTNERSHIP PROGRAM FUNDS FOR FISCAL YEAR 2021
Given its first reading; assigned to the HUMAN AFFAIRS COMMITTEE by President Wilshire

NEW BUSINESS — ORDINANCES

O-20-011
Endorser: Mayor Jim Donchess
Alderman-at-Large Michael O’Brien
Alderman Patricia Klee
Alderman-at-Large Shoshanna Kelly
Alderman Richard Dowd
REVISIONS TO THE HEALTH PLAN SECTION OF THE UNAFFILIATED EMPLOYEES
PERSONNEL POLICIES
Given its first reading; assigned to the PERSONNEL/ADMINISTRATIVE AFFAIRS COMMITTEE by
President Wilshire

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Board Of Aldermen - Minutes - 3/24/2020 - P9

By dnadmin on Sun, 11/06/2022 - 23:15
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President Wilshire

What is the Committee’s pleasure? This is something that the Mayor has brought up to us a couple of
times that this needs to be passed expediently in order to have the open enrollment and everything for the
month of April. | am wondering if anyone has any desire to pass this forward tonight.

Alderman O’Brien

Would | be in order to make a motion for final passage?

President Wilshire

| think we have to suspend the rules to allow for a second reading.

Alderman O’Brien

Can | make a motion to suspend the rules so that we can have a second reading?

MOTION BY ALDERMAN O’BRIEN TO SUSPEND THE RULES FOR A SECOND READING OF
O-20-011

ON THE QUESTION

Alderwoman Lu

| haven’t heard this discussed in detail and from — | think it’s the first reading, you folks, it may have been
samitied or brought to the Board before but it is the first reading so | would like to review it before voting on
President Wilshire

Ok further discussion, Alderwoman Kelly?

Alderwoman Kelly

Thank you. | appreciate the City going back and looking at this and giving us some revisions because |
know this was a big item from a budgetary standpoint. | do echo that | would like to hear a little bit more
than just the Mayor’s remarks in terms of what the changes are before we just make a decision on this.
President Wilshire

Very good. Alderman Klee?

Alderman Klee

We are just suspending the rules to have the discussion, is that correct?

President Wilshire

Correct, yes.

Alderman Jette

| too agree this is a significant change and it may be very meritorious but | think to suspend the rules to
allow a second reading and avoid sending this to a Committee for a full exploration of what it means and

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Board Of Aldermen - Minutes - 3/24/2020 - P10

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what it provides for and provide for an opportunity for people to weigh in on this; | am opposed to that. |
would be opposed to suspending the rules to allow for a second reading tonight. | think it ought to be
referred to a Committee and if that Committee has to meet remotely like we are tonight, that’s fine. But |
think it deserves an opportunity for the Mayor to explain in detail what this is for. And also an opportunity
for anyone who might be opposed to it to voice their opinion. So | would be against suspending the rules to
have a second reading tonight.

President Wilshire

Very good. Alderman O’Brien?

Alderman O’Brien

Yes.

Alderman Harriott-Gathright

Don't forget Linda.

Alderman O’Brien

Oh Linda.

Alderman Gathright

| agree with all that sooke before me and that was my thought pattern, my thought was that we really need
someone to weigh in, we heard our Mayor and | respect him, truly respect him, but | also would like to
make sure that others, that that would affect, would have an opportunity to speak to it as well.

President Wilshire

Ok. Alderman O’Brien.

Alderman O’Brien

Thank you. | would like to ask a question of the Mayor through the Chair if that’s ok?

President Wilshire

It is.

Alderman O’Brien

My question to the Mayor is that this is not a new-fangled idea. There are people currently that do have the
high deductible and so it is just basically limiting the choices that are out there. This is not a new program
it is already.

Mayor Donchess

For the in-patient hospital visits being for out-patient surgery and the like and urgent care, does increase
the cost of the deductible considerably to $250.00 to $1,500.00 or $500.00 / $3,000.00. But it keeps
people’s working rates down. Now it is something we have talked about, at least some people. But this is
the first reding tonight. We do need to get this past in early April, the first meeting in April. It doesn’t need
to be passed tonight. It is the same thing that Manchester offers; | believe. We have worked closely with
Manchester to try to develop design changes that could save money. But | think the employees have a lot

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to gain but can we go back to the buses because something just came in on e-mail. The announcement
from the State, it is pretty interesting. When the Governor was talking today or whoever had their press
conference, it turns out that an individual rode on a Concord Coach Line and was infected by Coronavirus
and rode from Concord to Logan and a couple of other trips. It has been discovered that this person had
Corona virus. So now any person who is on those buses and has developed symptoms should stay away
from all other people and immediately contact their healthcare provider.

Now the point is that they might know who are on these Concord buses but in our case, on the fixed route
system, we would have no way of knowing who was on, it would be impossible to track. So | just wanted to
add that Madam President, just to demonstrate why this bus step | think was the right thing to do. In any
event, | apologize for digressing. But | think | answered Alderman O’Brien’s question.

President Wilshire
Anyone further, any discussion further on suspending the rules for a second reading?
Alderwoman Lu

Thank you. | understand my colleague addressing what it may be limited to but | think without careful
review of how the contract stands as it is as opposed to the 3 pages of changes, ok the one page of
changes that it involves, | don’t want to recap it as it is just a change to this or it is just a change to only
that. And | don’t feel comfortable | think we all know that we can have meetings remotely now. If it comes
in for first reading, | would think it would be somewhat of an unusual thing to go to a second reading in the
same night. And | just feel strongly that people that want to weigh in should be able to read in on this.
Thank you.

President Wilshire

You are welcome. Alderman Klee.

Alderman Klee

My question is to Attorney Bolton, can you hear me? You can hear me, OK, | can’t hear me, so my
question to you is this still has to be a Public Meeting, even though they are doing it remotely, we still have
to allow the public in so we would have to set something up like this or is that not?

Steve Bolton Corporation Counsel

| hope | am audible now. This is a public meeting. If you send this to a Committee, the Committee Meeting
would have to be done in public, which it could be done in a similar manner that we are using this evening.
You can table it at the Board level and discuss it at the next Full Board Meeting. It is really up to the Board
how it wants to proceed from here. | guess some of you are inclined to pass it this evening and that would
be appropriate also.

President Wilshire

Alderman Klee, did you have something further?

Alderman Klee

No | just wanted to make it clear that we would have to a public, so someone physically would have to be

here so that the public, if they did choose to come, could speak. Because it sounds like my colleagues are
looking to hear from those people.

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President Wilshire

Further discussion on the motion to suspend the rules?

Alderman Harriott-Gathright

This is Linda and | just have a question. If we suspend the rules tonight, does that mean that it doesn’t go
to the Committee?

President Wilshire

Yes if we pass it tonight, it doesn’t go to Committee.

Alderman Harriott-Gathright

Right and then it will come before the Full Board correct?

President Wilshire

It will be before the Full Board this evening and that will be, if we pass it tonight that’s the end of it for us.
Alderman Harriott-Gathright

OK you have answered the question, thank you.

President Wilshire

You are welcome. The motion is to suspend the rules to allow for a second reading of Ordinance 20-011.

Alderman Lopez

| just wanted to second reluctance that was needed to just move forward with this. | Know it is a pandemic
and we are all kind of bunkering down. At the same time, we don’t want to make decisions now that we
can’t take back later. We are going to introduce processes that aren’t well-vetted and | think a lot of that
includes public trust. So it is a little precarious right now where we need to make it very clear that we are
not doing anything without planning it out or really vetting it. So | am not really comfortable trying to
approve a plan that | have barely seen at all.

President Wilshire

That’s fair. Further discussion on suspending the rules?

Alderman Dowd

Since we are having a discussion that seems to be steering away from the motion on the floor, | think that if
we defer this to a Committee that everybody that is concerned about this particular Legislation should
review it thoroughly before that Committee Meeting so that Committee Meeting is not elongated by
discussion that could be answered by researching the Legislation.

President Wilshire

The Motion is to suspend the rules. Anyone further.

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Finance Committee - Agenda - 2/2/2022 - P59

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Alderwoman Kelly

Is Alderman Caron on? This - it would go to Personnel correct?

President Wilshire

Yes. Alderman Caron is not on.

Alderwoman Kelly

OK | just wanted to know if she would be open to holding a remote meeting in the next week of or whatever
we would need to expedite this for the City.

President Wilshire

She’s not on. We could check with her tomorrow, if she’s willing.

Alderwoman Kelly

OK thank you.

President Wilshire

You are welcome, anything further.

Alderman Klee

Again | just have a question again for Attorney Bolton. He mentioned about that if we did do a second
reading, we could table it to the next meeting at which time we could have a further discussion and it would

give the opportunity of the public, those that would be affected to send an e-mail through that address or
show up here, is that correct?

Attorney Bolton

That is correct.
Alderman Klee
Thank you.
President Wilshire

And | appreciate the fact that we don’t want to hold more meetings because as the Mayor said, this, | don’t
know if he said it tonight or not but this pandemic locally is going to get worse before it gets better. The
fewer meetings we need to have, the fewer times we have to have the public come in before us, | think the
better. | would prefer not to hold Committee Meetings at this point, even if they are virtual, | would prefer
not to have the public come in and speak. And | think that’s really the message right now, is that we don’t
want to hold public meetings. If we have this, we could have 25, 30, 40 people come in and | would rather
not do that either. So | will be supporting the motion to suspend.

Alderwoman Lu
Thank you, President. Well if we are going to refrain from sending, if there is going to be more second

hearings, then rather than have a second hearing on the same night, things are — you have the first
hearing. | think that if you are going to ask for a second hearing, it would be helpful to know that so that the

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