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such a good idea. The thing that I’ve noticed in this debate is that people have become very passionate about it — the
Police Department, the Police Commissioners, the people who support them. Some of our fellow Aldermen have become
very passionate in their defense of the Police Department and their insistence that there is no problem and that nothing
should be changed.

It’s been pointed out that in the past there was a situation where aldermen were being investigated and they tried to end
the investigation. Chief Hefferan spoke to us in detail about that. | have a lot of respect for Chief Hefferan. I’ve thought
about that case and that case needed up not being a local prosecution. It was the FBI who prosecuted that case. It was
a federal indictment and the three aldermen involved ended up pleading guilty and being convicted by a federal court. So
| think the answer to avoid the number, it’s against the law to try to influence a police investigation. If one of us tries to do
that, the police ought to report us and charge us with a crime. If the police feel that local control is going to subject them
to interference, that’s one answer. The other answer is they can refer these investigations when it involves local people.
They can refer it to the Attorney General’s office. Let the Attorney General’s office do the investigation. Remove it
completely from local interference.

Something that the police talked to me about that did resonate with me is the idea that their recruitment, their selection of

officers, their compensation of officers, the promotions, all of that sort of thing is governed by the Commission. Of course,
they’ve got the collective bargaining agreement that they have to abide by. They say if there’s too much — if the Aldermen
are selecting the Commissioners that they feel that there’d be interference there and they may have a point there. There

are pros and cons to this.

The things | want to make clear is whichever side you're on, please it does not serve you well to try to read the minds of
the people on the other side. People who disagree with you to accuse them of having nefarious motivations does not
serve you well. | hope that both sides — in the future we all remember that. Each of us has opinions and we’re all trying to
do what’s best for the city. Accusing the Mayor of proposing legislation without going through the aldermen first, well
that’s the way it works. The Charter says the Mayor has the right to propose legislation just as we aldermen have the
right to propose legislation. To say that the citizens are going behind the backs of the aldermen by starting a petition
drive, well that’s their right. That’s in the Charter. The voters have the right to make a petition. The idea that it hasn’t
been vetted enough, | understand that argument but how much time do you think it needs. This started in May. We've
had May, June, July, August. We're going to have September, October. Both sides can make their arguments to the
voters. | don’t know why it would take a year or two to educate the public about this issue.

As you can tell, I’m struggling with this. | see both sides. | have trouble taking this away from the voters saying...when |
hear an alderman say he hasn't had a chance to really do his job, well this has been hanging around since May. Any of
us and some of you did — some of you who are not on the committee went to the committee meeting. We all had the
opportunity to go to the committee and express our opinions. If we feel that this may be a good idea but it could be
improved, we could have gone to the committee with our ideas and suggested amendments. It seemed like the people
who didn't think this was a good idea were intent on not letting it proceed. | guess I’m coming down on the feeling that the
voters ought to have the opportunity to express their opinion. If they vote this down, there will be other opportunities if we
want change propose something that may be better in the future. We're not saying that this should pass by putting it on
the ballot or just allowing the voters and both sides, | think, will have ample opportunity to make their arguments directly to
the voters and let the voters vote in November. | guess I’ve decided to allow this to go ahead. Thank you. Thank you for
letting me think out loud once again.

Alderwoman Kelly

Thank you. Can you hear me? Sorry.
President Wilshire

Yes

Alderwoman Kelly

I’m going to say things that | have said both times in Personnel meetings and I'll try to keep it brief because | think many
of the aldermen have already done a good job of explaining the pros and cons here. | was an initial co-sponsor to this bill.
It made sense to me on the surface that local control we appoint everything else and getting into a community
conversation with the people who are involved from the Police Department, to neighbors, all of those things it became
clear very quickly that everybody has different opinions on this and so a number of people on the Board have alluded to
the fact that we talked about having a working study group that would look at this and really have this whole conversation
regardless of how this vote goes down tonight, regardless of whether it goes on the ballot by citizen petition which is their

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right. | believe strongly that this discussion is still worth having and I’m looking forward to really examining this and having
a true vetted community conversation on this because | think it’s a good time to have it. This could be the right piece of
decision. There could be an even better solution that we can come to by bringing all parties to the table. So I’ve endorsed
city commission that has been put together has a great group of people from lots of different areas not just Nashua, not
just the police, and everyone who is on there we’ve done a good job of balancing the conversation so it’s not going to be
one sided. I’m looking forward to having that conversation regardless of how anyone around this horseshoe votes and
whether or not it goes on the ballot.

| can tell passion has been used. | think there’s a lot of passion around this on every front. | always appreciate that
passion because that means that as a community we’re listening, and thinking critically, and coming to the table, and
asking tough questions of each other. I’m looking forward a lively conversation in the work study group. Thank you.

Alderman Clemons

Thank you Madam President. | just wanted to state for the record that | haven’t heard an alderman express that they
weren't open to exploring change. | believe that that was insinuated by some previous speakers. That’s not the case. |
think that it’s disingenuous to say such a thing particularly when the group who is wanting the study group has been vocal
in saying let’s put the brakes on this and look at what all of our options are. | think that’s just an important clarification to
get out there. Thank you.

Alderman Dowd

Yeah | just wanted to explain that when | gave my initial comments and actually wasn’t my intent at that time to table. It
was also never my intent to stop discussion on the motion. It was my intent to allow the committee time to meet, and
discuss, and come back to us with a report before we took final action on this. The only way | saw at the time was to table
it until the committee meets and not indefinitely and not until the end of the year. The committee should start meeting and
come to some conclusions.

If we pass this tonight, the committee is going to come up with a recommendation but the horse is out of the barn and too
late. If we really want to do this right, we should give the commission a chance to meet and come back with
recommendations. | just don’t think the current wording going on the ballot, which | believe is pretty close to the wording
on the private — it’s exactly the same, does not give the people voting on it enough information to make an informed
choice. It’s somebody saying we have to do this and people are following along with that. There have been a lot of things
pointed out to me in the last few days that there are things that the commission needs to talk about and formulate some
things together like | know that a couple of the aldermen anyway have had trying to put in legislation for changes to this. |
think the only way you can get to the correct approach to make changes is to have the commission meet, get all the facts
together, and make an informed decision. The only way | saw how to do that was to table. | didn’t want to table it and
actually stop conversation on this. | was hoping that we would allow the commission the chance to meet and come back
with positive recommendations. | think that’s the fair and honest way to go to just throw this on the ballot to me is not the
way we should be doing things.

Alderman Lopez

Yeah | just kind of was conscious of the fact that the public watching and maybe members of the audience aren’t fully
aware of the communication that we’re all talking about with the commission. So | mean in a summary without naming all
the people who are appointed to it because there’s a good spread in my opinion of citizens that will be able to discuss it
from the voters perspective, the commission that — and maybe | should just let you speak to it Madam President would be
a better idea since you’re the one who created the commission.

President Wilshire

Right and | did that so that all sides of the issue could be heard so that the people that don’t watch our meetings or don't
get a knock on their door that they get all the information they need and that’s basically what I’m hoping this commission
can do is to put out there all the options, all the sides of this. If it goes on the ballot, why does it need to go on the ballot
right now? What's the hurry? What's the rush? If it’s a good idea now why won't it be in two years when it comes up to
the full municipal election? If it’s a good idea, it will stand up.

Alderman Lopez

So just to articulate to the public, the work group being started is to be chaired by Alderman Kelly. Alderman Dowd would
participate and the Police would have also representation. Then all of there’s 6 or 7 private citizens. So this would not be

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a work group that is specifically representing one side. It is well rounded. It has the legislative support and authority to
enact changes and it has civilian representation and it has input from Police. So that was what my intention was just to
point out to people who we might have been kind of talking around it because we have the document right in front of us.
It’s going to be attached to tonight’s minutes but there is a substantive step being taken to further explore this.

Just speaking to my motion at the beginning, | think we’re going to go around in circles with this at the Aldermen if we go
anywhere at all which is why | wanted to move for final passage because that’s my opinion is that we should move it
forward. I’ve been reading the room. | think | have a different calculus than Alderman O’Brien and | don’t necessarily
think that my position or opinions are going to be representative of the whole Board. | still think we accomplished
something by having a vote and making it clear where everybody stands on it. | think if we try adding more amendments
at this point, it’s likely not going to go on the ballot anyway because it would be such a change that it has to be run
through all the processes again and we wouldn't have declared that it was necessary and followed that step back in May if
we hadn’t known there was going to be a time crunch and we hadn't known that there were procedures to follow.

| don’t think that creating an amendment on the fly is particularly a good idea with something this important. | also don't
think that just leaving it on the table and floating is going to do anything other than keep it as a discussion item that can't
be solved. | think we should move this more to that work group’s field and let them explore things with the knowledge that
probably inevitably anything that we’re doing as aldermen is going to require new legislation and it’s going to have to
happen in the next year because | don’t think we’d be able to affect any change usefully in a timeframe that would allow to
go on the ballot. That was my thinking.

Alderman Cleaver

Thank you Madam President. | believe we’re over complicating this issue. | think it’s much more simple than we’re
making it out to be. Five commissioners and the local control is very clear. | think it’s ready to go on the ballot. | think
that the people should decide and | support this 100 percent. There’s a change that needs to be made. It’s archaic and
going back to the 1800s and it’s time for local control and we need more local control on every issue concerning the city.
I’m 100 percent for it. | think it’s time to vote on it. | think it’s time to put it on the ballot.

President Wilshire

Anyone else? Alderman Harriott-Gathright.

Alderman Harriott-Gathright

Wow this has been quite interesting experience here sitting on this Board particular with this. Most of you know, | have
great respect for Nashua Police and particularly for our Chief of Police. However, some of the things I’ve heard that came
from the Police Department as well as on this Board, | am truly shocked. | sat in on Alderman Caron’s meeting the other
night and really felt really horrible after hearing some of the comments that were made by people on this Board that | truly
respect but would have never thought things of that nature would come out of their mouth. | don’t want to repeat them.
You all know who said what on that meeting.

| take offense when people say that Aldermen or the Mayor is trying to derail things. | take offense when we're told we’re
not doing our job. | take offense when | know that people that I’ve spoken to and | don’t know if you’ve spoken to people
had no clue. They thought the Commissioners were city control. So | don’t know who you guys talked to or have spoken
with but | was really shocked to find out that so many people had no clue that the Commissioners were chosen out at the
State. So sometimes we’re in a bubble. We don’t really get to a lot of people that you really, really do need to get to.

I'll also say that no matter where | go, people are concerned. Most of the concern that | was hearing came about the
Police Department because for whatever reasons and things that were said, letters were written, people were just
shocked that they thought that the police had something to hide. For me that knows pretty much about the Police
Department, | didn’t feel as though they had anything to hide but | felt that how they approached the situation just made it
worse to be honest with you and then how some of us approached the situation have made it worse. | personally like the
idea of a Commission of five. | like the fact that local control and as some of my colleagues said are in the State House
as well, we talk constantly. We vote constantly about bringing things back to Nashua. So when we got so many people
that | care about disagree and I’m saying to myself you’re disagreeing because you're afraid that someone is going to ask
you to do something that you should be saying no to but you think that because who the person is you don’t have a
choice. | have a problem and if you’re in that position, you shouldn't be in that position. If it’s wrong, it’s wrong. | don’t
care who you are and you should be able to stand up and say absolutely not, you’re wrong. We're not going to do it.

So to say that that’s not likely what would happen, | have a problem with that. Those that know, | had the conversation.

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You know exactly what I’m talking about because I’ve had many conversations with the Police Department and with other
board members as well. So | just feel as though | don’t mind disagreeing with people and having fuss out — Chief
Carignan and | do it all the time. We come back and love. You know what | mean. There’s a difference but when | keep
hearing these innuendos coming at this Board, it really bothers me tremendously. So | do believe that it needs to go to
the ballot and | do believe that Nashua residents should make that choice. | do believe that we still have time and people
have been meeting with the Police Department, and meeting with other members of the Board | believe — | can’t say that
honestly but | think, other members of the community that jumped in to help out. A lot of people have been talking so
don’t say that people don’t know what this is about because they truly do. They do know without a doubt in my mind. For
you to say we need more time, fine. Take the time. You have til November or whenever the election is — take the time to
explain whatever you want to explain to whomever. Everybody can have a voice but to stop the voice, | have a problem.
For that, | am going to be voting to move this forward.

President Wilshire

Anyone else? Part of the problem | see is that we talk about people had no clue that these Commissioners were
appointed by the Governor. Well if people didn’t know that, | think the purpose of putting together a work study group is to
get all that information out there so people can make informed decisions. It’s just really no reason to rush this. It’s going
to be the lowest turnout of all elections. Typically is a very low turnout. | would ask the City Clerk but I’d hate to put her
on the spot. The percentage of people that come out to vote in a mid-term is very low. | don’t think that’s giving the
citizens enough voice. | think it should wait until the next municipal election after we’ve had an opportunity to speak to the
community about their Police Commission and their Police Department.

Alderwoman Lu

| just wanted to mention that the work study group could also — and I’m sure this is part of the plan but | just wanted to say
it or get it on record — explore ways we’ve tried in the past to make the Commission more diversified, ways that haven't

worked, and discuss ways that could work. So the idea was brought up initially with some particular other than the local
control, it was also discussed the diversity piece. That could be explored as part of the work group. Thank you.

President Wilshire

Further discussion? Seeing none, the motion before us by Alderman Lopez is for final passage of Resolution R-21-143.
Seeing no further discussion, will the Clerk please call the roll.

A viva voce roll call was taken which resulted as follows:

Yea: Alderman Klee, Alderman Lopez, Alderman Jette, Alderman Schmidt,
Alderman Cleaver, Alderwoman Harriott-Gathright 6

Nay: Alderman O’Brien, Alderwoman Kelly, Alderman Dowd, Alderman Caron,
Alderman Clemons, Alderman Tencza, Alderwoman Lu, Alderman Wilshire 8

MOTION FAILED

Alderwoman Kelly

Can | move to table at this point? (inaudible)

President Wilshire

Yes.

MOTION BY ALDERWOMAN KELLY TO TABLE RESOLUTION R-21-143

A viva voce roll call was taken which resulted as follows:

Yea: Alderman O’Brien, Alderman Klee, Alderwoman Kelly, Alderman Dowd,
Alderman Caron, Alderman Clemons, Alderman Lopez, Alderman Tencza,

Alderman Jette, Alderman Schmidt, Alderman Cleaver,
Alderwoman Harriott-Gathright, Alderman Wilshire 13

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Nay: Alderwoman Lu 1
MOTION CARRIED

R-21-152
Endorsers: Alderman Thomas Lopez
Alderman Linda Harriott-Gathright
PROPOSING AN AMENDMENT TO THE CITY CHARTER RELATIVE TO ADDING TWO ADDITIONAL MEMBERS
TO THE BOARD OF HEALTH
Given its second reading;

ON THE QUESTION

Alderman Lopez

So just before | make a motion, can | ask Attorney Bolton to clarify? If | motion for indefinite postpone does it stop any
other aldermen from commenting if they wanted to?

Attorney Steve Bolton
No.

Alderman Lopez

Okay. Just making sure.
MOTION BY ALDERMAN LOPEZ FOR INDEFINITE POSTPONEMENT, BY ROLL CALL

ON THE QUESTION

Alderman Lopez

So out of deference to what Alderman Clemons pointed out earlier, | didn’t want to either a) make a long comment and
then just move to table, or b) table right out of the gate and then not explain why. My intention in proposing a Charter
amendment for the Board of Health was it is a similarly aged institution. It provides for three physicians to oversee the
health matters of Nashua and I’m very much oversimplifying that so | apologize to the Board. My intention was to add two
more members to it to expand its quorum. This would allow members to have a little bit freer conversation. It would allow
some redundancy if someone couldn’t make it and it would allow them to still have a quorum and proceed with the
meeting. | saw advantages to it but | didn’t really account for 1) the timeframe for presenting it to the Board itself in
having it proposed to me and moving it forward onto the Board of Aldermen. | managed to completely coincide with them
going on break for the summer so | wasn't able to present it to them first or in a detailed matter before it went to
Personnel/Administrative Affairs.

So | want to thank Alderman Caron for working with me to invite them to the Personnel/Administrative Affairs. The way
the timing would have worked out is there regular meeting is tomorrow So if she hadn’t been so accommodating, we
wouldn't have had the conversation before it went back tonight the full Board. If it didn’t come back tonight, then it
wouldn't have made a difference because it’s not going to get on the ballot. We had a health discussion
Personnel/Administrative Affairs. | kind of wanted to stick to it because the idea of five versus three as a dynamic is
something I’m very familiar with. | see most boards operating on that level. Because of the advantages it offers, that
made sense to me.

Expanding it to include members who might represent the psychology field as well, | added an addition physician or
individual with doctorate level psychology. | thought that was relevant to today’s Nashua. We just literally had a Special
Board of Aldermen meeting right before this about being a recovery friendly workplace. Issues of recover and substance
misuse are increasingly falling under the umbrella of public health. There are major issues that affect all levels of Nashua
life. Then we also have issues that are not quite so well understood or discussed. We have a lot of people who are
committing suicide and we have a lot of people who are experiencing the trauma that comes from that. We have a lot of
people who just went through a life shattering or life changing experience in 2020 where suddenly a lot of the behaviors
and patterns that they were used to were pulled away from them and they were instead replaced with a period of
uncertainty, and competing narratives, and a lot of stress. Again, it made a lot of sense to me to introduce somebody at
least a possibility that a specialist in the field of psychiatry would potentially be useful.

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Then the last element of this amendment would have let voters decide whether they wanted somebody with a public
health background who didn’t work for the city to be a member. | think my intentions speak for themselves. | wasn't
trying to replace any existing members. | was trying to expand the board. | was trying to improve its ability to train new
members and manager the crisis that we’re experiencing. | also think my timing was pretty awful because not only did |
plow into a similar amendment with the Police Commissioner being highly contentious but the Board of Health is not the
Police Department. They’re not as big. They don't get uniforms to clearly identify themselves to the public and give them
the credibility that comes from centuries of law enforcement. Instead, they have to focus on their decisions having the
wait themselves of credibility. Because of that and because at the emergency meeting that we had last week, it was
impression that people who are seeking to undermine the credibility of the Board of Health were at the same time trying to
use this as a wedge. | don’t think this is a good time to mess with it.

| agree with the comments that they’ve made that they have an effective board right now. | think the timing would be
unfortunate were the amendment to proceed to the votes because then they would have to if they continue to disagree,
they’d have to approach voters and that’s not a fair position to put them in in order to make their case. If it did pass
through the referendum, then that means that we would have to be looking at a change in a dynamic in the middle of
winter when we’re likely still going to be dealing with after effects of COVID-19. Hopefully after effects. So for those
reasons, | want to thank everybody who supported me in terms of moving this forward but | think the best thing at this
point is to indefinitely postpone it and then take it up in a future term where | am able to engage the Board of Health right
out of the gate and make sure that they fully support an amendment moving forward.

President Wilshire

The motion before us is for indefinite postponement. Is there further discussion on the Motion? Will the Clerk please call
the roll.

A viva voce roll call was taken which resulted as follows:

Yea: Alderman O’Brien, Alderman Klee, Alderwoman Kelly, Alderman Dowd,
Alderman Caron, Alderman Clemons, Alderman Lopez, Alderman Tencza,
Alderwoman Lu, Alderman Jette, Alderman Schmidt, Alderman Cleaver,
Alderwoman Harriott-Gathright, Alderman Wilshire 14

Nay: 0
MOTION CARRIED
Resolution R-21-152 declared indefinitely postponed.

R-21-155
Endorsers: Mayor Jim Donchess
Alderman-at-Large Michael B. O’Brien, Sr.
Alderman Patricia Klee
Alderman Richard A. Dowd
Alderman-at-Large Shoshanna Kelly
RELATIVE TO THE TRANSFER OF $75,000 FROM DEPARTMENT 194 “CONTINGENCY”, ACCOUNT 70100
“GENERAL CONTINGENCY” TO DEPARTMENT 198 “INTERFUND TRANSFERS”, ACCOUNT 89725
“TRANSFER TO CITY RETIREMENT TRUST FUND”
Given its second reading;

MOTION BY ALDERMAN DOWD FOR FINAL PASSAGE OF R-21-155, BY ROLL CALL
ON THE QUESTION
Alderman Dowd

Yeah this is just a normal transfer of funds that we do. We put money in contingency and this particular one has to cover
retirement that’s come up recently. It is a normal transaction of city government.

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President Wilshire

The motion is for final passage of Resolution R-21-155 by roll call. Further discussion on that motion? Seeing none,
would the Clerk please call the roll.

A viva voce roll call was taken which resulted as follows:

Yea: Alderman O’Brien, Alderman Klee, Alderwoman Kelly, Alderman Dowd,
Alderman Caron, Alderman Clemons, Alderman Lopez, Alderman Tencza,
Alderwoman Lu, Alderman Jette, Alderman Schmidt, Alderman Cleaver,
Alderwoman Harriott-Gathright, Alderman Wilshire 14

Nay: 0
MOTION CARRIED

Resolution R-21-155 declared duly adopted.

UNFINISHED BUSINESS — ORDINANCES - None

NEW BUSINESS — RESOLUTIONS

R-21-156
Endorsers: Mayor Jim Donchess
Alderman Thomas Lopez
Alderman-at-Large Michael B. O’Brien, Sr.
Alderman Skip Cleaver
Alderman Linda Harriott-Gathright
Alderman-at-Large Lori Wilshire
AUTHORIZING THE CITY OF NASHUA TO ENTER INTO AN OPTION AGREEMENT WITH HARBOR HOMES, INC.
FOR PARKING LEASE
Given its first reading; Assigned to the COMMITTEE ON INFRASTRUCTURE by President Wilshire

R-21-157
Endorsers: Mayor Jim Donchess
Alderman-at-Large Michael B. O’Brien, Sr.
Alderman Richard A. Dowd
Alderman Thomas Lopez
Alderwoman-at-Large Shoshanna Kelly
Alderman Jan Schmidt
Alderman Linda Harriott-Gathright
Alderman Skip Cleaver
Alderman-at-Large Lori Wilshire
AUTHORIZING THE CITY OF NASHUA TO ENTER INTO A MEMORANDUM OF UNDERSTANDING REGARDING
THE BRONSTEIN REDEVELOPMENT
Given its first reading; Assigned to the COMMITTEE ON INFRASTRUCTURE by President Wilshire

R-21-158
Endorsers: Mayor Jim Donchess
Alderman Jan Schmidt
Alderman-at-Large David C. Tencza
Alderman June M. Caron
Alderman Skip Cleaver
Alderman-at-Large Lori Wilshire
ESTABLISHING AN EXPENDABLE TRUST FUND FOR RECREATION FACILITIES FOR EAST SIDE OF NASHUA,
FUNDED BY APPROPRIATIONS, AND MAKING A SUPPLEMENTAL APPROPRIATION OF $750,000 INTO THE
EXPENDABLE TRUST FUND
Given its first reading; Assigned to the BUDGET REVIEW COMMITTEE and SCHUDULE A SPECIAL BOARD OF
ALDERMEN PUBLIC HEARING on MONDAY, AUGUST 23, 2021, at 7:00 p.m. in the Aldermanic Chamber by President
Wilshire

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R-21-159
Endorsers: Mayor Jim Donchess
Alderman Patricia Klee
Alderman Richard A. Dowd
Alderman Thomas Lopez
RELATIVE TO THE TRANSFER OF THE FY2022 ORIGINAL ADOPTED BUDGET CONTINGENCY FOR GRANTS
AND CORRESPONDING OFFSETTING REVENUE INTO A NON LAPSING GRANT FUND
Given its first reading; Assigned to the BUDGET REVIEW COMMITTEE by President Wilshire

R-21-160
Endorsers: Mayor Jim Donchess
Alderman Jan Schmidt
Alderman Skip Cleaver
RELATIVE TO THE SUPPLEMENTAL APPROPRIATION OF $250,000 INTO EXPENDABLE TRUST FUND
ESTABLISHED FOR THE BUSINESS AND INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPMENT AUTHORITY
Given its first reading; Assigned to the BUDGET REVIEW COMMITTEE and SCHUDULE A SPECIAL BOARD OF
ALDERMEN PUBLIC HEARING on MONDAY, AUGUST 23, 2021, at 7:00 p.m. in the Aldermanic Chamber by President
Wilshire

R-21-161
Endorsers: Mayor Jim Donchess
Alderman-at-Large Michael B. O’Brien, Sr.
Alderman Patricia Klee
Alderman Richard A. Dowd
Alderman June M. Caron
Alderman Thomas Lopez
Alderman-at-Large David C. Tencza
Alderman Jan Schmidt
Alderman Skip Cleaver
Alderman Linda Harriott-Gathright
Alderman-at-Large Lori Wilshire
RELATIVE TO THE ACCEPTANCE AND APPROPRIATION OF AN ADDITIONAL $621,556 FROM THE STATE OF
NEW HAMPSHIRE, DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH AND HUMAN SERVICES INTO PUBLIC HEALTH AND
COMMUNITY SERVICES GRANT ACTIVITY “COVID-19 ENHANCED DETECTION”
Given its first reading; Assigned to the HUMAN AFFAIRS COMMITTEE by President Wilshire

R-21-162
Endorsers: Mayor Jim Donchess
Alderman Richard A. Dowd

RELATIVE TO THE RE-APPROPRIATION OF FISCAL YEAR FY2022 ESCROWS
Given its first reading; Assigned to the BUDGET REVIEW COMMITTEE and SCHUDULE A SPECIAL BOARD OF
ALDERMEN PUBLIC HEARING on MONDAY, AUGUST 23, 2021, at 7:00 p.m. in the Aldermanic Chamber by President
Wilshire

NEW BUSINESS — ORDINANCES

O-21-068
Endorsers: Alderman Patricia Klee
Alderman Thomas Lopez
MOVING THE LOCATION OF A NO PARKING ZONE ON THE WEST SIDE OF CONCORD STREET AT ITS
INTERSECTION WITH MOUNT PLEASANT STREET
Given its first reading; Assigned to the COMMITTEE ON INFRASTRUCTURE by President Wilshire

O-21-069
Endorsers: Mayor Jim Donchess
Alderman Thomas Lopez
Alderman-at-Large Lori Wilshire
REMOVING THE ONE-HOUR PARKING TIME LIMIT ON SOUTH SIDE OF MYRTLE STREET
Given its first reading; Assigned to the COMMITTEE ON INFRASTRUCTURE by President Wilshire

Board of Aldermen 08-10-2021 Page 33

O-21-070
Endorsers: Mayor Jim Donchess
Alderman Patricia Klee
Alderman Thomas Lopez
Alderman Linda Harriott-Gathright
Alderman-at-Large Lori Wilshire
ALLOWING PERMITTED OVERNIGHT PARKING ON MYRTLE STREET
Given its first reading; Assigned to the COMMITTEE ON INFRASTRUCTURE by President Wilshire

PERIOD FOR GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT
President Wilshire

Clarence Frost. Again if you could give your name and address for the record and you'll have a three minute timeframe.
You've been very patient. Thank you.

Clarence Frost

Hi my name is Clarence Frost. | live at 63 Chestnut Street in Nashua. | didn’t get an education on the debate you guys had
going on with the Commissioner. | had no clue.

I’m here about Chestnut Street and the urban bike trail. | left pictures for people to see about the drunk and the drunken
problems that | have to look at every day. | bought this property 24 years ago. It wasn’t as bad. Every year that goes by, it’s
getting worse and worse. | call the police. | have pictures of people urinating. Show it to the police, what they can do? Tell
them not to do it? They don’t arrest them and they’re still there doing it. The only reason why | see it more today is because
I’m on temporary disability. | ain't got a choice but to stay home and look at it every day now.

When he did the urban renewal when they redid Chestnut Street, they put a nice island at the end of my street. When they
first did it, it looked great. | don’t think it’s been mowed, mulched, trimmed, or nothing for the last five years. | fixed up the
front of my property which | was told | own and the city owns. | don’t know who owns it but | take care of it. There’s a tree
down the middle of Chestnut Street. A couple of years ago we had a big tree fall and take out power lines. Thank god it
didn’t hurt any children. There’s another tree right next to it and half of it is dead. When is the city going to take it out?
When it takes out a house...

Donna Graham, Legislative Affairs Manager

One minute.

Clarence Frost

...another power line, or a child? I’m a taxpayer. | pointed out to my alderman even the ones in the past and it seems like it
never gets done. The tree streets get dumped on all the time. | keep telling people this neighborhood is what we make out
of it. | decorated every Halloween and Christmas.

Donna Graham, Legislative Affairs Manager

Thirty seconds.

Clarence Frost

You get (inaudible) some nice to look at. I’d just like the city and the aldermen to do something for the neighborhood and not
just say it’s another problem we never solve. The community’s got to solve it too but we can only do so much. Thank you.

Anthony Storace

| did not sign up but | wanted to thank the Board for allowing the Board of Health to do their jobs and also to thank Tom. |
look forward to working with him and communicating more with him. Don't forget we have a meeting tomorrow. Again, thank
you very much. | promise you'll see less of me but we will come to the Board. We've been invited to. Alderman Schmidt
thank you for the nice e-mail. | appreciate that and all the rest of you that have helped. Thank you very much.

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President Wilshire

Thank you.

Laurie Ortolano

Hi. Laurie Ortolano, 41 Berkeley Street. Just quickly. | sent you an e-mail tonight and | attached a spreadsheet looking at
the top ten largest communities in New Hampshire relative to their police departments. What surprised me is — and it really
surprised me. | called all the departments and talked to the police stations. Five out of those ten do not have
commissioners. Three of the cities that the Mayor highlighted as cities that had changed their commissions — Portsmouth
and Laconia — those two municipalities have three commissioners but they are elected by the general public. So five out of
the ten don't have commissioners. Three out of the five left they’re elected by their citizens at the ballot. Manchester has an
appointed commission but it is only advisory. It doesn’t have (inaudible) duties.

So what’s being proposed in Nashua is really unique to the other ten. | would like — | obviously think this is going to go on
the ballot and the Mayor is going to get the signatures and the citizens behind providing the signatures to put it out there but |
would like to understand how he determined that the best option was to have the Mayor and the President appoint and the
Board vote versus having a citizen vote. Berlin and Somersworth were also used as examples of communities that change
but you are looking at massive size variations — 10,000 people compared to Nashua with 90,000. The other thing you have
to take into consideration here — Manchester is 113,000 people. Nashua is 90,000 and then the next biggest is Concord at
44 and it rolls down. So you know we have to be very careful with blanket comments and | looked back at the Mayor’s
original survey and he question he proposed is and it was just his blanket survey to his fixed number of constituents but it
was 1) do you want the Mayor and the Board President to appoint the Commissioners, or 2) do you still want it with the
Governor. | wish three had been on there which is do you want to elect them yourselves at the polls on a staggered time
schedule. | would just like to understand how this happened and honestly I’ve been on an e-mail chain that’s you know 50,
100 comments deep. There’s a lot of people that have asked some really good questions on that e-mail chain about what
we're doing this...

Donna Graham, Legislative Affairs Manager
Thirty seconds.
Laurie Ortolano

...and what it means. So huge opportunity to do some education over the next few months and | think there’s a lot of work to
do here to educate people. Thank you.

Beth Scaer

Beth Scaer, 111 East Hobart Street. Next week on the 18'" is the 101 anniversary of the ratification of the 19" amendment
giving women the right to vote. So this Saturday the 14" at 10 a.m. I’m going to be raising the 19'" amendment flag on the
citizen flag pole. So that’s 10 a.m. on Saturday the 14'". Everyone is invited. Thank you.

President Wilshire

Thank you. Is there anyone else that wishes to give public comment? Seeing no one.

REMARKS BY THE MEMBERS OF THE BOARD OF ALDERMEN

Alderman Klee

Thank you very much. Sorry. I'd like to start off by thanking all of my fellow members here for the dynamic conversation
that we had on the Police Commission. | think a lot of good things were said. | also want to just comment to Alderwoman
Lu that was a good catch. It was for the 467. | went back and looked at the financial so | think it was just wording. That
was a good catch and thank you. We would have to have voted again anyways. | appreciate that.

Most of all | want to congratulate Alderman Brandon Laws and Sophia on their new addition. There’s no one that

deserves more happiness than they do and | know they're going to make a great family, great parents, and | can’t wait to
see that little angel at some public function. | know she’s loved. So thank you.