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Board Of Aldermen - Minutes - 12/16/2019 - P18

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So my question | guess for Alderman Dowd being the Chair of the Committee, | want to get a sense for sometimes
as we are expressing these concerns we are feeling placated, and | want to know, what is your plan. What is the
JSSBC, the Aldermen’s plan for working with us, the community? Because you had said yourself at one of the
JSSBC meetings that the top priorities are the safety of the children because we have concerns about the streets
and how Buck Meadow is going to work, you know, that is a very narrow road, there’s fog, there’s wetlands,
whatever. You know there’s concerns about having the safety of the children but also, the least disruption to the
neighborhood. So that’s my question is how do you plan to work with us to make sure that happens. Because |
can continue showing up at these meetings, you are not going to get rid of me that easily. But you know we want
to make sure that if this school is going in 100% yes, then our view has changed from “No | don’t want it”, to “OK
let’s compromise” and that means we are willing to compromise but we want you to compromise too.

Chairman Dowd

I'll let Harriman chime in as well but it has been our, as we mentioned in several of our meetings before, we are in
the concept phase now, we are going into detail design phase and we will be interfacing with all of the parties that
we have interfaced with since the beginning; whether it is local City Departments, neighbors, teachers,
administrators, as we have finalize the design. The intent is to make it as more neighborhood friendly as possible.
Would you like to add some more?

Mr. Lee

Sure Alderman Dowd and we have appreciated the input that we have received from the neighbors at the two most
recent public hearings that we have had so we echo sort of the sentiment of sort of collaboration going forward. If
the project were to move forward, we are committed also to continuing that dialogue to understand how we can
look at the development and create the least possible impact to the abutters.

Ms. Ford And | do want to thank you for the design, you know, | had said | think at the last meeting where | saw
you, specifically how the main use of the buildings where the classrooms are sort of on that south part where they
might be after school weekend activities that are in the northern part of the design, where that would be just
physically further away from the housing. So that’s great, | want to thank you for that, that kind of thing, right? |
know there will be JSSBC meetings, but will have they public input through the detailed design phase?

Chairman Dowd

Oh absolutely, absolutely, and you'll be invited.

Ms. Ford You can’t stop me, I’m not going anywhere.

Chairman Dowd

We don’t want to stop you.

Ms. Ford But | do want to say as much as | was staunchly opposed to it, like | said, once Harriman came out with
their design | felt a little bit better about it. You know, as a parent, | do want to state for the record that | feel in
favor of this, | have a daughter she’s 3 years old, eventually she will be going to this new school. | much prefer her
in a State of the Art brand new school than at Elm Street, the current school as it is. So thank you for your time.
Fred Teeboom 24 Cheyenne Drive. | looked at the questions that were just handed to me, but nowhere in the
questions is a question “can we afford this”. Answer the question, can we afford that. So | have a couple of

questions, first of all you mentioned detailed concept design. To what detail have these concepts been
developed?

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Mr. Lee

So the question is, to what level of what detail has the cost estimates been done and that is actually a great
question for Harvey but Harvey Construction has put together a very, very detailed estimate of materials, quantities
and labor units to develop the cost based on their experience in building schools. It is a very, very detailed
breakdown.

Mr. Teeboom | just want to remind you, the last time Harvey gave us a detailed break down it was on the
Performing Arts Center, | think it something $10.5 million dollars. Carl knows that, right now it is around $20 million.
So can we afford it, that’s the question, | looked and did my own analysis, and it talks about an average payment,
average payments don’t count, actual payments count. The first payment due in this bond is $8.85 million. Then it
goes down. $8.85 million represents about between 4% and 5% of the tax rate. 4% to 5%, how are you going to
pay for this? Are you going to load another 4% to 5% on the taxpayers?

Chairman Dowd
Is that your remaining question?

Mr. Teeboom | have another one, this is a public hearing Mr. Chairman so | intend to ask some questions. You
are talking about a $118 million dollar bond that has a $54 million dollar interest payment. Interest alone represents
46% of principal because you are borrowing this thing for 25 years. Can we afford it? Can we, just to give you an
idea, | looked at the budget to see exactly what this means. Right now, if you look at the 2020 budget, you will find
that the combined City School debt is principal and interest, it’s $166 million. This school project alone more than
doubles that, $172 million added to $166 million; that’s over $300 million, my God. Who is going to be looking at
the details? You know I’ve got this fancy four-story building, who is looking at the details, can we afford it. | didn’t
see that question in the questions? In terms of the payments, we are talking about an annual payment of new debt
of $8.9 million dollars, | think | mentioned that earlier, it was the first payment. That’s half the current $17 million
dollar payments, the total payments in the budget today are $17 million, we are adding more than 50% on top of
that annual payment, annually for 25 years. Where is the bonding analysis, | did not see that presented. | saw this
fancy little diagrams, very nice, you know, the playing area and all that. I’d like to go to a school like that, hell I’d
like to live in a palace. But where was the bonding analysis, has that been performed Mr. Chairman.

Chairman Dowd

Is that a question?

Mr. Teeboom Yes.

Chairman Dowd

Then you would ask the Treasurer.

Mr. Teeboom Mr. Treasurer?

Mr. Fredette

Excuse me, David Fredette City Treasurer. We have a bond spend plan that we update annually, sometimes more
than once a year. And this project has been included in that plan and been reviewed. The one thing that you have
to remember is debt payments are going down from Fiscal Year 22 through 25 because the High School is being

paid off.

Mr. Teeboom | know the debt payments are going down, but are they going down by $8.9 million dollars?

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Chairman Dowd
Is that another question?

Mr. Teeboom Yes because that’s a first year payment on this debt, $8.9 million; is the debt going down by $8.9
million.

Chairman Dowd
Treasurer Fredette?
Mr. Fredette

Well I’m not sure $8.9 million is the first year payment, it depends when the bond is sold, how it is sold, if we do
bands prior to selling, there’s a lot of aspects to this bond that we don’t know yet. We could do an equal payment
bond versus liberal principal which the payment would be lower. You end up paying more in interest but the
payment is lower at the beginning. So | don’t know what is going to be done at that time.

Mr. Teeboom That’s not an answer, I’m going by your own analysis, your own bond statement, your own bond
statement states an average payment and the average payment is correct over 25 years, it does average out, it
ignores the beginning payments. Your total payment of interest of $53.69 million is correct. So either your analysis
is incorrect or it is correct. You can’t just say well | don’t know what is going to be. You have to do a bonding
analysis, when we did the high schools and spent $156 million some 20 years ago, there were very detailed
bonding analysis done before anybody talked about adding a huge amount of bond payments to our budget.

Chairman Dowd

Mr. Teeboom you do realize that after careful one-year plus analysis, we determined we had to do this work to
these middle schools in order for the educational requirements to meet the State standards. And you do also
realize that if we were to renovated Elm Street which doesn't include building a new school, that it would have
added somewhere between $15 and $25 million additional dollars and we wouldn’t have had something that met
the State standards for middle schools. So this is a project that we need to undertake. It’s like back in the day
when we had to build the two high schools because the school that was built before that was built on the cheap
and was falling apart. So our intent is to build a good school.

Also as far as Harvey is concerned, Harvey has done a number of schools and are currently involved in building
schools. So they have an extensive amount of experience in pricing these things out.

Mr. Teeboom | have no doubt about that, they should go to Fairgrounds to find a column that’s got my name on it,
because 25 years ago we renovated Fairgrounds. | am familiar with school renovations, all am | asking is can we
afford this size project? Do we, for instance, have to do all the 3 middle schools just for equity, just many
questions have to be asked. You do a needs analysis, you have to do a detailed bonding analysis to look at our
current bonding which projects bonding going forward against an $18 million dollar bond which more than doubles,
it doubles $166 million to $172 million added as | said before to our City and School debt load. These have to be
done. And how much money are you going to get for Elm Street School? Are you going to sell it? Is that going to
off set this bond, that’s another question Mr. Chairman.

Chairman Dowd
We are not in a position to answer that question right now. The intent is that if we are not using it for a school, that

it will be turned over to the City to do whatever the City wants to do with it. You have exceeded your time. There
is going to be another session, so please let someone else come up and testify.

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Mr. Teeboom We just heard of Burke Street earlier that you are going to take the Burke Street property, almost $4
million and apply that structure to $10 million dollar building, why aren’t you doing that? Instead of getting all
hunked about these fancy buildings, start looking at the question that is not on this question list, again, can we
afford it?

Chairman Dowd
Any one else that wants to speak in opposition. Please state your name and address for the record.

Stephen Scaer, 11 East Hobart Street. Could you tell me how much this is going to add to the annual tax bill of a
median home of $300,000.00?

Chairman Dowd

| don’t Know if anyone has that answer right now for the reason that the way the bonds are let, could be different so
there is no exact amount. Also we try to keep the bonding in the City at a fairly constant level for that very reason
so the tax impact is not that great. But we can’t give you a dollar figure now.

Mr. Scaer OK thank you.

Laurie Ortolano 41 Berkeley Street. | picked up this information pack on the back with these questions and like
some of the questions raised here, the first question | had is what is the cost of this, where is the bond analysis. |
built a school when | was over in Litchfield on the School Board and one of the things we looked at very closely
was the bond and the cost. | think it is really unacceptable that you are asking us to get behind a $118 million
dollars without being able to tell us what the impact on the tax rate is on some estimated level. | can’t shop that
way in my budget and | don’t want my City spending that way with my money, it’s just not acceptable. I’m shocked.
There are a lot of nice questions in here but | expected to see a bond estimate in here. | am also concerned about
the enrollment study and whether we are overbuilding our space, you know? We have enrollments that have gone
down and we need to be careful about how much additional space we are taking on.

It is expensive, we have got to maintain it and there’s a lot of parents that look for alternate options for education.
We know some of that grant money got flushed away to take for charter schools but that’s going to remain an
issue. You are going to have parents looking for alternatives and that is going to move students out of the middle
and high school and | think that matters.

So the lack of a schedule and the enrollment study is that this City tends to shortcut on the studies that need to be
done and the impact studies that need to be done when you are doing projects. And you and | all know that | have
been very involved in assessing. | saw a lot of short cuts go on down there. One of my concerns is | really don’t
want to have to pay for something like this when | know | have an assessing department that doesn’t know how to
establish equity for our assessments. If you are an over-assessed property you are stuck and you are going to pay
a bigger impact and a bigger cost tax rate for this type of bond than others. We haven't figured out how to
equitably assess this City and we are going to have to eat this $118 million dollar bond. When would the first
payment kick in for this bond, that was another thing | was curious about, there’s a question — one.

Chairman Dowd

We don’t know when the first payment would kick in because we don’t know when we will be selling the bonds,
when the first payments will be due. That’s downstream.

Ms. Ortolano So my vote is fix your assessing department, learn how to create equity for everyone and then sell
your bonds, because | don’t want to pay for them before that. Thank you.

Laura Calhoun 30 Greenwood Drive. I'd like to read a statement. This action first should be brought up to the
residents of Nashua and not just by the Mayor and the Board of Aldermen. Nashua residents should have a voice
and be able to vote on it.

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Bottom line, is it will be the Nashua residents paying for the school in even higher property taxes. City Officials
keep on increasing our property taxes here in Nashua. However, they do not realize that young people cannot
afford to get an apartment in Nashua and young couples cannot buy a house and then pay their property taxes.
The residents have already seen a drop in young people moving into Nashua, so why spend the money on a new
school when the tax payers would prefer to put the money back into the schools we already have.

The Mayor does not seem to mind spending the tax payer’s money on frivolous things like a half a million dollars
on a boat ramp. How many residents us that boat ramp, 5, 10%? | do not think that Nashua residents should have
a Say in this type of spending? Why did the City Officials not go up to the Legislative Committee to get the $10
million dollars for Charter Schools but instead let the State Officials turn it down? $45 million dollars would have
gone a long way to help the Charter Schools within the State of New Hampshire which is a better educational
rating than any of our public schools. Did they want the Nashua resident to decide where their children should go?
How many Nashua parents are waiting to get their children into Charter Schools? If the Mayor was not interested
in getting the money, why should the Nashua residents spend the money for the new school?

If the Nashua Officials went up to this meeting, they would have heard that the State had stated that New
Hampshire has a declining K to 12 enrollment, so why would the Nashua residents pay for a new school when the
number of children within the State is dwindling? Officials would have also heard that the Academy of Science &
Design and Micro Society Charter Schools in Nashua have the longest waiting list to attend these schools. Did
Nashua Officials even consider these schools or the Nashua residents who are waiting on these lists to get their
children in for a better education? No. Our Mayor and our Board of Aldermen only want to spend Nashua tax
payer money. Well Nashua residents do not want to spend their money on a new building, fix the schools. Thank
you.

Beth Scaer 111 East Hobart Street. | request that the Aldermen provide an analysis for the amount of financial
bonding commitments, including any possible additions for planned projects for the next five years. | would ask if
any alternate lower cost proposals have been considered for each of the programs that you wish to bond. We
shouldn't have to build for an increase in student population when data shows a decrease. You can design a
building to allow future additions if necessary. We should also see the estimated increase in our tax rate which
should have been developed. Have you considered delaying any of the programs until some of our bonds are
completely paid? | think an alternate proposal should be discussed at a future meeting where we can see less
expensive options. Thanks.

TESTIMONY IN FAVOR

John Roche 12 Meadowvew Circle. | just want to say | think the world of this project. | think that the Joint Building
Committee and Alderman Dowd deserve a ton of credit for the hard work that they have done. | am absolutely
looking forward to having a brand new middle school down in my southwest corner of the City.

Shawn Smith Good evening, | am the Director of Plant Operations for the School District, also a relatively
recent new resident of Nashua. | was living out in Temple and moved to Nashua this past March. | like that my
commute has gone from 45 minutes to less than 10. | didn’t prepare any statements until | started hearing
everything in opposition so | thought I’d come up here and talk a little bit.

First and foremost the discussion about the access road, for one thing if that is indeed in negotiations which |
think it is, itis not something you want to talk about publicly, so we can’t. From what | know those discussions
are on-going and | am not going to say anything more about that. I’ve been here for over 22 years now in this
position and | cut my teeth on the Amherst Street Elementary School Project, renovation. | was here for both
high school projects. There’s been five other elementary school projects since then, all renovations, obviously
| am pro schools and pro building and putting money into our schools. | do know that the site on the southwest
quadrant was set aside years ago, even before my time. So it has always been set aside, there was a lot of
concern with the residents that they thought it was all conservation land; it was never conservation land. It has
always been set aside for the school.

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One of the things that we haven’t talked about tonight, | don’t think it was in the FAQ’s either is State aid. State
aid disappeared at some point after the high school project was completed. It has started to creep back up, |
am not aware of what is going on with that, but | know that they have solicited input from the school districts for
any projects that are planned and there is, it is not going to be full, back to where it used to be, because we
used to get like 30%, former Alderman Bolton can tell you that. Alderman Dowd was also there at that point on
the high school project. So it probably won’t be 30% but it'll be something. So whatever that bond amount is
that we are talking about as part of the issue of trying to figure out how much is that bond payment going to be.
We don’t know, not only we don’t know when we are going to be buying the bonds, but we don’t know what
other money is coming in. We don’t know about potential revenue if we do something with Elm Street. So
there are a lot of unknowns.

We have talked about the student population of Nashua decreasing it has been on the decline, and it has
been. | think when | got here there were over 13,000 students, now it is a little bit over 11,000 but it has
flattened out, | don’t see it going down anymore. So when we talk about designing, we have about 2,400
students in the middle school range right now, divide that by 3 and it comes to 800, so we are planning for 800
plus.

One of things we haven't really talked about tonight was the out-of-district placement. Actually Mr. Coffman
talked a little bit about dealing with these middle school population, which we tend to do with a new school.
The School District is looking at what to do with the high school and elementary schools as well. So part of the
thought process is if you build new schools, then they are going to become attractive for the Nashua residents.
So maybe some of those kids that are going to Charter Schools might come back, we don’t know.

Finally and probably most important is that Elm Street is well beyond its useful service life. It’s tough and the
systems in the building are gone. We have put money into it, it’s like owning a boat, a boat is something you
put in the water and you pour money into, that’s what we are doing at this point. Both the staff and the
students are working and learning in substandard conditions. If you try to go there in the seasons of May and
June and September and you go to the third floor and you try to concentrate on learning, it just gets too hot,
because they systems are so old we can’t really control the heat that well. We are dealing with old unit
ventilators and controls, it is just very, very difficult. We did say it was much more expensive to renovate than
to build new. There’s a saying about lipstick or a pig that has lipstick on it, that’s exactly what we’d have if we
renovated Elm Street. It is still going to be a school built in the 1930’s. You’ve got a pretty good estimate that
Harvey put together to renovate it, but we are still not going to be meeting State standards if we do that? So
why would we pour $93 million dollars into a building and still not meet State standards.

Finally security, so if you go to Elm Street now, you get buzzed in but then you can go anywhere you want in
the school, you don’t go past a main office, it’s a situation we corrected within the foundation of Sunset
Heights. So security at Elm Street, there are so many doors in the school, the security is a very tough issue for
us. So hopefully I’ve given a little insight.

TESTIMONY IN OPPOSITION

Mr. Teeboom Any earlier question was asked, “what is the affect on the tax rate” which nobody answered. To give
you an idea, the City’s Budget is made of taxes and then grants and fees. The tax portion of the City is about $180
million dollars. That means 1% of the tax rate is $1.8 million, that number has been around for quite a while. |
mentioned earlier that the first payment of the bond is going to be $8.85 million dollars. That means unless you
find the money some other place, it is going to be between 4 to 5% on the tax rate. That’s a fact. Now as far as
suddenly nobody knows what is going now, the fact that an analysis of the bond, in the analysis, I’m not going to
read the whole thing but it talks about 3.5 interest rate, 25 years. It talks about the bond being $171,690,000.00.
That’s exactly correct, | read the whole analysis and that’s exact to the dollar. Figures don’t lie.

However, if you can’t answer the question, you shouldn’t be bonding this thing. If you can’t answer the question
about what to do about the existing facility at Elm Street, you don’t have a detailed analysis down to the detailed
design, you haven’t answered the question about the tax rates and done the bonding analysis.

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This is not ready to be bonded. In past year, maybe 20 years ago we didn’t bond anything until the final figures
were known. Then you receive a bond authorization. This is all turned topsy down. People now come in with
these bond authorization and have very little insight to what they are doing. This is a great example.

Now we are not talking about the Performing Arts Center of $15 million or $20 million or $22 million, not even $6
million dollars, we are talking about a lot of money here, we are talking about $118 million dollar principal that
grows by 45% to become $172 million. That is a lot of money. The answers that | asked, that weren’t answered,
the answers other people asked that weren’t answered about finances, that’s is not acceptable. It is not
acceptable to say well we don’t know what the bonding is going to be like. That Mr. Treasurer is not acceptable, in
fact, that has never been done before. That people come in with bonding amounts, they had detailed analysis, and
detailed estimates. We certainly did that with Fairgrounds, | was an Alderman.

Now a final point, if you take R-191 and R-187 and R-186, these 3 bond issues before you tonight, in total has
$182 million dollar debt. $182 million. The total adds $9.5 million dollar annual payments. I’m not making it up, I'll
send you all a copy. All you do is take a look at the bond analysis, as anybody can do and has a spread sheet and
knows how to use a spread sheet, | presume you all do. You add the figures up and the figures don’t lie. $9.5
million dollars is what you are talking about the first year, that is almost 5% of the tax rate. This is certainly highly
premature. The Public Works has been pretty well thought through | thought; the other one | don’t even think you
should do. That shouldn’t be bonded. But this is real money. Before you build four story structures, final point,
somebody brought up a Charter School. North High School and South High School are consistently in the lower
30% of the State. Consistently, look up school.com look up any of these analysis, North High and South School
are below 30%. The Charter School that we have, Academy of Science & Design is the top 100 of the entire
United States.

Chairman Dowd

| think we are getting off topic.

Mr. Teeboom So buildings don’t make students. Buildings don’t create scholastic standards. You've got to start
thinking more about how to spend money to raise the education of our children instead of putting them into fancy
buildings and have the score down to 30%. That millions of dollars of charter money, | think it was criminal for the
Teacher's Union to affect a vote and turn down the money. Criminal.

Doris Hohensee 15 Swart Terrace. As to enrollment, you have to keep in mind that the District just incorporated
full day Kindergarten. So you have a pair of double working parents that needed a full day program that are
switching over to our school and in the past 2 years even with practically, you know, several hundred new
students, we have still declined year over year. So it may have flattened temporarily, but this doesn’t increase
enrollment in 2™, 3 and 4"" grade. They would eventually come here anyway but they came for Kindergarten
because it was now a full day whereas they could only get that in the private sector previously. So that has sort of
made a bubble in the numbers, but the numbers are still going down. And if we are wrong, do the study, it is part of
the State law. You want to get the building aid, you have to do the study. Statistically reliable study; we have no
study, we are just building. Thank you.

Stephen Scaer 111 East Hobart Street. When | pick a college for my daughter, | buy a car, | buy a house, | look at
how much it is going to cost me and | don’t live in nearly as nice of a house or drive as nice of a car as I'd like to.
Here you are asking me buy a school and it could be a great school but you can’t give me a rough idea of how
much it is going to cost me? | think that you are bright enough and you’ve got people that can figure that out and |
urge you to step back from this and figure out how much it is going to add to the average home price, I’m sorry
average tax bill. Thank you.

Prasad Tiruveedi 6 Medallion Court. | agree with others who spoke against this. Thank you.

Howard Coffman current member of the Board of Education. | want to thank Mr. Teeboom for his reality check. |
can tell you in my four years on the Board of Ed and we started talking about a middle school replacement 4 years
ago we brought in the same folks. The estimate then was between $40 and $50 million and didn’t involve other
schools.

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But | can honestly tell you at least at the Board of Education level, the Board as a whole has never had a
conversation about the bonding implications or what the true costs would be. We've heard about construction
costs and we’ve had a fair amount of discussion about that with the JSSB, but not one iota of a discussion as it
relates to the actual spending at the City and what its implications are. It is time that we do that. | have asked the
Committee, the Board of Aldermen, to defer action on this bond until further financial analysis is complete,
presented to the public and reviewed. And as someone else said, maybe we can even have referendum in the
City on it. Thank you.

Ms. Ortolano The gentleman who came up and spoke about the system who worked at the school and the
state of the schools for repair. | appreciate what he is saying, I’m not of the belief that you necessarily have to
continue to put money into those schools. But | am just very concerned that we don’t have a study that speaks
to the bond cost and an analysis of what those bonds will look like for this building. | am also very concerned
about the lack of an enrollment study and that we are potentially overbuilding.

Also, it’s almost a couple hours into this hearing and | Know that putting these three bonds on the table for one
single hearing | think was too much and | want to thank Mr. Teeboom for the analysis he provided and the
detail that he brings to these meetings because as a tax payer and a resident | do appreciate that kind of
discussion. | think in this horseshoe there is not enough of this going on. So when he overuses his one
question, the one question is far too limiting when you are asking us to approve $118 million, for us to get
behind that in a night. So | think you all get a little cranky with him but he’s raising a lot of very good points. |
want to tell you | really appreciate it. Thank you.

Chairman Dowd

Anyone else in opposition? Seeing no one, | will now close the Public Hearing. We will take a 5 minute break
before we open up the Budget Review Committee.

ADJOURNMENT
The public hearings were declared closed at 8:55 p.m.

Alderman-at-Large Michael B. O’Brien
Committee Clerk

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DPW Facilities

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Timeline

April 5, 2019 - At a Special Board of Public Works Meeting, Mayor Donchess
appointed Commissioners Moriarty and Teas to develop a working group to study
the existing conditions of the facilities and come up with potential solutions.

April 12, 2019 - Commissioners Moriarty and Teas and Director Fauteux
discussed organizing a plan that was inclusive of all stakeholders.

May 10, 2019 - Commissioners Moriarty, Teas, Aldermen Wilshire, O’Brien and
Dowd, Director Cummings and DPW staff met to discuss how to provide DPW with
an adequate work environment. Commissioner Ackerman replaced Commissioner
Moriarty on the working group.

May 23, 2019 - Board of Public Works discussed the condition of existing
facilities and approved hiring Harvey Construction to study the options of
renovation vs. new building.

October 30, 2019 - Harvey Construction presented their findings to the working
group. The committee voted unanimously to build a new DPW facility at the F CN Ba
landfill.

November 7, 2019 - Harvey Construction presented the findings to the Board of
Public Works. The Board of Public Works voted to pursue building a new DPW
facility at the landfill.

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