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Board of Aldermen — 5/09/17 Page 13
Alderman Dowd
| withdraw.

MOTION WITHDRAWN

Alderman Siegel

| want to point out that | have no intention of restricting the comment period further than it is already. We often
times go well beyond 15 minutes. | think it is valuable for this Board to go beyond 15 minutes because very
often we have had people speak about issues which are very germane, and which we do want to act on. We
have a Substandard Living Conditions Committee which exists because of public comment that happened at
the final public comment period which, by the way, was added by legislation that didn’t exist before. This was
a creation of the Board and this idea, again, that we are restricting free speech, | just don’t buy into that at all.
Maybe it’s the fact that it’s an odd year or something, | don’t know. It’s just unfortunate that it’s been
misinterpreted as somehow a restriction on free speech. Our staff has to transcribe this stuff too. They often
have to transcribe things that are germane to the Board which may seem torturous but that is what we do.
This, | can’t disagree more that this is some restriction on free speech. We have restrictions on free speech in
here. I’m sorry, you can’t make that argument unless you then say | can go and if | opened up a pet salon, |
can discuss that and | can campaign for office and | can waive signs. Unless you are willing to accept that also
then you really not for free speech. Let’s keep in mind what we already restrict.

Alderman Moriarty

If you are at your wits end and your health is at risk and for some reason you don’t know where the ER is, the
fire department has the reputation of the place to go when you need someone to keep you alive. By analogy,
the Board of Aldermen, my issue isn’t that we know what's the subject matter is the jurisdiction of the Board,
but that the public doesn’t necessarily know what the jurisdiction of this Board. | like the idea of the public
being welcomed. If they are at their wits end and they want to complain about something and they need to talk
about something and they aren’t sure who to go to or what they do, they go to the Board of Aldermen. The
President in the past has done a good in saying we can’t cover that. You want to go to the Planning Board.
You can’t do this, you want to do that. That’s the perspective of the public that they Know and they will be able
to know that they can come here.

Alderman Clemons

I’d like to comment on the restriction of freedom of speech and say that what | originally said was that itis a
further restriction on speech. If this passes, we will further restrict people’s freedom of speech which we
already do for appropriate reasons. This being an inappropriate reason in my opinion.

Alderman Lopez

| still don’t feel it’s inappropriate. | think we tell the public that they have to sit here and watch us talk the entire
meeting so we can get things done from a practical perspective. Some people take longer to figure out how to
say certain things. We've already made decisions over who can speak. Everyone here is predisposed to
somebody who can get to the point faster. That’s not everybody. We talk about how we are representing the
people of Nashua, but we’re not considering everybody who wants to speak and ensuring that the period of
public comment after the Board of Aldermen meeting is actually something that somebody can have a
resolution. We're not protecting the other people who want to speak as well. If we say we have a 15 minute
period of public comment and we let a couple from Florida show up and spend 9 of it talking about an activity
that we can’t, we didn’t give our President any tools to say, unfortunately that is not under our jurisdiction so |
would appreciate you going to this place or that place. We're not setting up any ability to do that. | think that’s
a mistake. We should be providing effective guidance to the public.

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A Viva Voce Roll Call was taken, which resulted as follows:

Yea: Alderman Caron, Alderman Siegel, Alderman O’Brien,
Alderman Lopez, Alderman McCarthy 5

Nay: Alderman Wilshire, Alderman Clemons, Alderman Deane
Alderman Cookson, Alderman Dowd, Alderman Schoneman
Alderwoman Melizzi-Golja, Alderman LeBrun, Alderman Moriarty 9
MOTION FAILED

MOTION BY ALDERMAN SIEGEL FOR INDEFINITE POSTPONEMENT OF O-17-033
A Viva Voce Roll Call was taken, which resulted as follows:

Yea: Alderman Wilshire, Alderman Clemons, Alderman Deane
Alderman Cookson, Alderman Dowd, Alderman Caron
Alderman Siegel, Alderman Schoneman, Alderwoman Melizzi-Golja
Alderman LeBrun, Alderman O’Brien, Alderman Lopez, Alderman McCarthy 13

Nay: Alderman Moriarty 1
Ordinance O-17-033 declared indefinitely postponed.
NEW BUSINESS — RESOLUTIONS

R-17-099
Endorsers: Mayor Jim Donchess
Alderman Richard A. Dowd
APPROVING A FIRST AMENDMENT TO TOWER REPLACEMENT AGREEMENT WITH
VERIZON WIRELESS
Given its first reading; assigned to the FINANCE COMMITTEE by President McCarthy

R-17-100
Endorsers: Mayor Jim Donchess
Alderman Richard A. Dowd
Alderman-at-Large Michael B. O’Brien, Sr.
Alderman Tom Lopez
Alderwoman Mary Ann Melizzi-Golja
AUTHORIZING THE SALE OF SURPLUS BROAD STREET PARKWAY PROPERTY
Given its first reading; assigned to the COMMITTEE ON INFRASTRUCTURE by President McCarthy

R-17-101
Endorsers: Mayor Jim Donchess
Alderman-at-Large Lori Wilshire
Alderman Tom Lopez
Alderman-at-Large Michael B. O’Brien, Sr.
Alderman Don LeBrun
Alderwoman Mary Ann Melizzi-Golja
Alderman June M. Caron
Alderman Richard A. Dowd
RELATIVE TO THE ACCEPTANCE AND APPROPRIATION OF $808,298 FROM THE STATE
OF NEW HAMPSHIRE DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH AND HUMAN SERVICES INTO PUBLIC
HEALTH AND COMMUNITY SERVICES GRANT ACTIVITY “FY2018 AND FY2019 PUBLIC
HEALTH NETWORK SERVICES”
Given its first reading; assigned to the HUMAN AFFAIRS COMMITTEE by President McCarthy

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R-17-102
Endorsers: Mayor Jim Donchess
Alderman June M. Caron
Alderwoman Mary Ann Melizzi-Golja
Alderman Richard A. Dowd
Alderman-at-Large Lori Wilshire
Alderman Ben Clemons
Alderman Ken Siegel
Alderman Don LeBrun
Alderman-at-Large Michael B. O’Brien, Sr.
Alderman Tom Lopez
Alderman-at-Large Brian S. McCarthy
RELATIVE TO THE TRANSFER OF $25,000 FROM DEPARTMENT 194 — CONTINGENCY,
ACCOUNT 70100 — GENERAL CONTINGENCY TO FY 17 DEPARTMENT 109 — CIVIC &
COMMUNITY ACTIVITIES, ACCOUNTING CLASSIFICATION 56 — OUTSIDE AGENCIES
FOR THE PURPOSE OF DONATING TO THE NASHUA ASSOCIATION FOR THE ELDERLY
Given its first reading; assigned to the BUDGET REVIEW COMMITTEE by President McCarthy

NEW BUSINESS — ORDINANCES

O-17-038
Endorsers: Alderman David Schoneman
Alderman-at-Large Lori Wilshire
Alderwoman Mary Ann Melizzi-Golja
ALLOWING RESIDENTS OF MORGAN STREET TO PURCHASE OVERNIGHT ON-STREET
PARKING PERMITS
Given its first reading; assigned to the COMMITTEE ON INFRASTRUCTURE by President McCarthy

PERIOD FOR GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT
Paula Johnson, 15 Westborn Drive

Alderman Clemons, | just want to say you’re a popular guy tonight because even | was agreeing with you and
that’s a rarity and I’m super conservative, you know? But you know what? You can’t take away our rights to
stand here, and unfortunately some people don’t know the right place to go and that’s the guidance really of
aldermen to help them out. You can talk to them after the meeting and show them where they need to go and
what they need to do. But you know, it’s unfortunate; not everybody knows what to do in life.

That kind of talks about you and me, Mayor, in your office the other day with that young man that you have to
open up the gate for in Mine Falls so he can go to work up on Coliseum Avenue. Did you ever get that gate
open for him at Mine Falls?

Mayor Donchess

We are checking it out. It was hard to figure out exactly which gate he was talking about. Public Works is
looking into it.

Ms. Johnson

| understand exactly where it was. It was the entrance right around the David Deane Skateboard Park, where
that big mess is now. | also asked you if there is a structural engineer that has been overseeing the park that
is being built? | told you it is by the Gate House. | understood exactly where he was coming from and where

he was going. | was glad | was there to help you that day.

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Now to get on the subject that I’m here for. I’ve been trying to stay away from these meetings. | try not to
watch this very much because | don’t like my low blood pressure become a high blood pressure. Vhen | was
away on vacation, | happened to be able to read the Telegraph editorial, which | want to say they did a great
job for a change. They weren’t such fake news, so you're getting a compliment like Alderman Clemons is.
How tight is Nashua’s budget? | almost fell over here. You know, we want to take $200,000 and allow citizen
volunteers to essentially spend their own $200,000. How tight is our budget? We've talked about overriding
the spending cap. We've talked about $15.5 million for a downtown theatre for a group of people. What is
government’s responsibility? Does anybody know what government’s responsibility is? It’s not for a theatre.
That’s private. Government’s responsibility is police, fire, maybe schools. |’m beginning to think Charter
Schools are the better deal. Police, fire, maybe schools, BPW. Not even landfills because we can ship it out.
We don't even have to have people come and collect our trash, but we pay for that.

And, by the way, | want to thank everybody for my 15 percent increase in my wastewater. For people on fixed
incomes, my bill went from $62, $78, to $90 a quarter. When social security doesn’t even give you an increase
this year, how do people who are on fixed income, not $90,000 from the city pension, I’m talking the average
citizen, the 55 plus community and maybe younger people with disabilities, are you trying to push us out of
here? I’m 63. Are you trying to push us out for the Millenniums and the Snowflakes to come in here? This is
really a disgrace. | was looking at houses in the Ledge Street area. They say the schools in that area are
below average online, so what does that tell you?

$15,500,000 for a restaurant and retail store. Since when is government in that business? Government is not
supposed to be in that business. Then when you build it, they might come because everybody is saying even
on Facebook, you have Manchester to the north and you have Lowell and Boston to the south. Now you don’t
have enough parking downtown. Now you are going to have to renovate that. People don’t go downtown
anyway because you have to put money in the meters. We all talked about that for a long time. Money in the
meters. Why would people go downtown? Alec’s was the anchor store downtown, and that’s the building you
want to buy. What is that, about two or three million dollars proposition? Does that include the $15.5 million or
is that over and above?

| asked Mr. Griffin yesterday, and what a lovely person he is. He got me all the information which | will discuss
more this at time goes on, like maybe tomorrow at the meeting and also at the public hearing, but he gave me
all the bonds that are outstanding. We're about right now about $64 million worth of bonding. That’s without
the interest of current bonds and what is going to be bonded. We have $1.6 million for the fire station; $37.5
million for street repairs. That’s going to be at $7.5 million, give or take, every year. We don’t even know what
the Burke Street property is going to be, but that was | think a $4.2 million proposition. That toxic waste
building over there that when you walked in there, you could smell the mold, see the mold. | had a friend of
mine who used to work there and explained everything in that building. We're going to retrofit that building and
clean it. What’s that going to be: 20, 30, 40 million dollars? Cha-Ching, another bond.

How much do you think the citizens of this city can take with all this spending? | have to prioritize my bills.
Why aren’t you prioritizing what needs to be done in this city? A theatre is not top priority. You complained
that the roads weren’t all good so you’re bonding roads. What else? How much more are we going to spend?
Think about it. The next time you go out and you go to Hannaford’s or Market Basket, look at some of the
people who are working, bagging. Look at some of the elderly and look at what they have in their carts and
look at what some other people with government assistance has in their carts. We worked for it. We can’t
retire. There’s no such thing as retirement anymore in this country because government is out of control with
spending. I’m asking now to stop this spending once and for all. We don’t need a theater downtown, and we
don’t need the train. And that’s another bond. Thank you.

REMARKS BY THE MEMBERS OF THE BOARD OF ALDERMEN

Alderman Lopez

| was running a little bit of an informal contest called the “golden shovel” over the winter. It was a way to figure
out if we could encourage neighbors and businesses to do a little bit of shoveling so our streets were a little

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more passable. | wanted to recognize one of our residents, Kenny Blaha, who made sure to shovel on at least
9 different snow storms so his neighbors could pass. The contest was by vote. Your neighbors decide who is
getting the award, and he was recognized with it. So, | wanted to thank him for all the work he put in over the
winter.

Alderman O’Brien

On Wednesday, May 17, up in Concord in Room 203, in the Legislative Office Building, House Bill 267, which
is repealing the Rail Authority, there will be a work session. It is going to be discussed. This is important. If
we are ever going to get commuter rail, some monies are going to have to go some organization. Therefore,
repealing the Rail Authority is short-sighted, particularly if the President says he has some shovel ready project
in the future. We're going to need the Rail Authority to accept the granting. We'll see what will happen, but
those that are interested are welcome to join us. Thank you.

Alderwoman Melizzi-Golja

| wanted to echo the Mayor’s congratulations to Great American Downtown for the success of their event this
weekend. Unfortunately, | was not able to attend. Also, the Nashua Senior Center will be having their annual
plant sale on May 20". It’s in Ward 8 up on Shakespeare. | hear they have a great selection of plans.

Alderman Siegel

I'd like to wish our colleague, Alderman McGuinness, well and a speedy recovery. I’d also like to thank Paul
Shea and Ben Redduck. | was at the nu muse festival and spent quite a bit of time down there in the rain and
outside of the rain. It really, really was well done. Considering the conditions, | was very happy that the sun
came out because it is the first year of the festival.

Alderman Clemons

| wanted to wish my former work colleague, Alderman McGuinness, and obviously my colleague here on the
Board, the very best. | hope he has a speedy recovery.

Alderman Wilshire
|, too, wish Alderman McGuiness a speedy recovery.
Alderman LeBrun

| would like to mention that the Greek Food Festival will take place on May 19 and 20 at St. Phillip’s Greek
Orthodox Church, just off Exit 5.

President McCarthy

| also want to congratulate GAD on the music festival over the weekend. | was downtown Saturday night. A
lot of people seemed to be having a good time despite the weather. | was interested to see that even with
Main Street blocked off and a stage in the middle of the street, we were actually able to run the Main Street
Trolley all night around that. Kudos to the Transportation Department for having done that as well.
Committee announcements:

Alderman Schoneman

Tomorrow night’s previously scheduled Committee on Infrastructure meeting has been cancelled. The next
meeting will be on the regular cycle, May 24, here in the Chambers.

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were previously approved. That doesn’t mean that those approvals were good. The priorities going forward
have to change and in the meantime, | can’t support it.

Alderman Clemons

| think repealing the spending cap is a viable option that this Board could consider. The only thing | wonder is
if it's going to take Nashua to become like Fitchburg or Brockton before we do it or are we going to do it ahead
of that.

Alderman Caron

| too watched the Budget Review Committee work on this and | don’t support everything but | think the Mayor
and the Budget Review Committee worked really hard for this and | will be supporting this budget.

Alderman Moriarty

When talking about services it might be helpful to compare the services the city provides versus the services
the state provides through Concord. It works out given the $11 billion biannual budget in Concord versus the
$260 million budget in Nashua. Per capita the state budget is about the same size as Nashua which means
that the $6,000 per year that | will pay in property tax for Nashua, | get a certain amount of something from the
city and equivalently through all of the business profit taxes and various other things that | will spend that will
end up in Concord, they spend an equal amount. It’s useful to recognize that in the City of Nashua’s budget,
about 80% of our budget is for city staff so in some sense the services that you get is exactly the number of
people working for the city within 80%. If you take bond debt it’s almost entirely....lf you want to answer the
question quantitatively, are services getting better or worse you just count the number of people that are
working for the city. The police department has not gone down, the fire department has not gone down and
the school; the teacher to student ratio has remained constant over the past few years. The services in
Nashua have remained consistent. In Concord their salary and state budget is less than half. Basically
Concord just gives out welfare checks, Medicare, Medicaid; none of which | use. | was surprised that Mayor
Donchess managed to get it in under the spending cap at all. | am a big fan of the spending cap because
without it the tax rate would out of control. VWe’ve had many opportunities to show fiscal prudence without a
spending cap looming over our heads and had everything to do with the salary contracts that we passed which
| voted against 90% of them. In summary on the one hand part of me wants to support the budget because it
did come in under the spending cap but what | want to warn everybody about is this insidious spending cap by-
pass that we keep getting. | think we are up to five now. One example was that CTE special revenue fund and
we have a lot of bonding. There are items that should have been in the budget that, in order to keep the
budget under the spending cap they are being squeezed out. Another one is R-16-045, establishing an
expendable trust fund for the state employer pension cost which is coming here, that already failed once and
now it’s coming back. That is a spending cap end around end around. | can vote against the budget by the
mere fact that there are all these other spending cap by-passes that are occurring as a result of poor planning
up to it.

Alderman Siegel

The CTE fund was funded totally from money outside of the taxpayers of the City of Nashua. As far as the
legislation that will be before us for first reading, it's funded at zero. It’s a container so it doesn’t by-pass
anything. It’s just sitting there waiting to be filled which is unlike the previous legislation where one could argue
and there was an argument that was a by-pass and it failed. It’s to create the vessel such that should we find
money that was available we can set it aside for the time next year when we are going to be staring at a $2
million bullet aimed at our head.

Alderman Clemons

I'd like to point out that while the police department , the fire department and the class sizes in the schools
remain level, the problems that these individuals have to face every day is increasing. We have a drug

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ADJOURNMENT
MOTION BY ALDERMAN WILSHIRE TO ADJOURN
A Viva Voce Roll Call was taken, which resulted as follows:
Yea: Alderman Wilshire, Alderman Clemons, Alderman Deane
Alderman Cookson, Alderman Dowd, Alderman Caron
Alderman Siegel, Alderman Schoneman, Alderwoman Melizzi-Golja
Alderman LeBrun, Alderman Moriarty, Alderman O’Brien,
Alderman Lopez, Alderman McCarthy 14
Nay: 0

MOTION CARRIED

The meeting was declared adjourned at 8:37 p.m.

Attest: Patricia Piecuch, City Clerk

Board of Aldermen

City of Nashua
229 Main Street Brian S. McCarthy
Nashua, NH 03061-2019 President, Board of Aldermen

(603) 589-3030

TO: Board of Aldermen
FROM: Brian S. McCarthy, President, Board of Aldermen
DATE: May 9, 2017

SUBJ: Environment and Energy Committee Appointment

| am pleased to announce that Alderwoman Mary Ann Melizzi-Golja has agreed to serve as my designee
on the Environment and Energy Committee and, with the concurrence of the Board, hereby appoint her
for a term to run concurrent with her Office as Ward 8 Alderman.

Thank you.

‘sl

Lovering, Susan

From: Jamie Turbyne <jamie.turbyne@gmail.com>

Sent: Sunday, May 07, 2017 8:10 PM

To: Lovering, Susan

Ce: McCarthy, Brian; Lopez, Thomas; Schoneman, David; Mayor's Office Email
Subject: In support of a performing arts center

Good Evening,

I have lived in Ward 3, within walking distance of Nashua's downtown, since 2009. In that time, through the
decisions made by the city and the great work done by many individuals and organizations, Nashua has become
better and better each and every year. Though our downtown has many great businesses, many great restaurants
and bars, the one thing it does lack is a an up-to-date, modern, and decent sized event destination. Something
that will bring people in to the city for an evening of shopping, dinner, and a show. The performing arts center
proposed at the Alec's Shoe location would fill this void, | am very much in support of the city moving forward
with what was proposed.

Beyond just the attraction of a destination in our downtown that brings people to Nashua for an evening, a
consideration must be given to a broader set of impacts. Of these, one issue I have not heard come up in the
meetings or discussions I've been involved in, is that Nashua is in competition with the other cities in our region
to attract a young, vibrant, and upwardly mobile demographic. Nashua is also in competition to attract the
businesses that will drive future economic growth for the region. Nashua needs to have a competitive offering
of what it brings to the table for individuals and businesses looking to settle in the region.

Am I trying to say a performing arts center gets us 100% there?
No.

However, adding the venue proposed at the Alec's location to the mix of an already real and present arts
community offers an opportunity to both expand our local art scene as well as bring in national touring acts, be
it music, comedy, musicals, political, educational, etc. Configured as the multi-purpose space described in the
proposal opens up the potential uses dramatically.

From last week's meeting, the main issue with the proposal was centered on the cost of the debt service to pay
back the proposed bond issue. As a member of the currently ongoing Nashua Academy, I can understand that
concern. Not a single department within the city has said they are overflowing with cash, and plenty commented
that they are doing the best they can with a budget they consider too small to effectively handle their duties.
Over the long haul however, | feel very strongly that it is worth freeing up funds for this project, that over the
long term it will more than pay itself.

The final point I would like to mention is that there is, in a sense, a cost of doing nothing. From the standpoint
of being in a regional competition with other cities to attract good people, good jobs, and a healthy taxpayer
base, if Nashua is standing still, we are losing. Yes the schools need to be strong, the roads need to be paved,
but the city needs to be a competitive player in the region. Having a state-of-the-art space for the community's
use, to bring entertainment to the community, and visitors to Nashua for shopping, dinner, and a show is a huge
step in the right direction.

If you have any questions on what I've written, please do not hesitate to ask Gamie.turbyne@gmail.com),

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PRESIDENT BRIAN S. McCARTHY CALLS ASSEMBLY TO ORDER
PRAYER OFFERED BY CITY CLERK PATRICIA PIECUCH
PLEDGE TO THE FLAG LED BY ALDERMAN TOM LOPEZ

ROLL CALL

REMARKS BY THE MAYOR

RESPONSE TO REMARKS OF THE MAYOR

RECOGNITIONS

READING OF MINUTES OF PREVIOUS MEETINGS AND PUBLIC HEARING

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COMMUNICATIONS

From: Camille Pattison, Transportation Manager
Re: Request for Suspension of Rules: R-17-094

PERIOD FOR PUBLIC COMMENT RELATIVE TO ITEMS EXPECTED TO BE
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PETITIONS

Petition for Street Acceptance: Northwest Boulevard Extension
¢ Committee on Infrastructure Recommends: Granting Petition

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WRITTEN REPORTS FROM LIAISONS

CONFIRMATION OF MAYOR'S APPOINTMENTS

Conservation Commission

Gene Porter (New Appointment) Term to Expire: December 31, 2019

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