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| think to be very, very frank, | think part of the issue of why return expectations are much higher in Nashua than other
places is because the city is more accommodating with its regulatory and its financial incentives to make it happen. But
there is the reality of that. There isn't a wide variety of investors that are willing to come to Nashua because there is so
much work in other markets, particularly within you know, the more immediate Boston metro area. There's so much
activity going on in those places that they don't have to, if that makes sense. And So it does create a little bit of well, we
don't have the same level of competition. So as a result, the investment community can have a different expectation
because there's not as much competition, if you will.

However, | think it's a balance between the two which is there's not as much competition. | don't believe that's because
it's higher risk as much. It is a little bit more risky because, you know, particularly multi-family development hasn't really
happened except for the last few years. | think that the proof is in the marketplace with a number of the developments
that have been come online and have been very successful. No one really likes to be the first person in, especially in the
real estate world. They tend to want to see proof of concept and then you'll see interest.

To that point is | think it's a combination of things. | think, is a combination of to this point, there hasn't been a lot of
competition to get access to these developments. And two is because | think the city has been very, very aggressive in
trying to make development happen. And so they've been providing regulatory and financial incentives that face that
effectively bump up the return. If I'm getting that return on this project, I'm going to see if | can try and get it on the next
one too.

Alderwoman Lu

Okay, thank you. | can pass to someone else if there are other questions. | have two more.

President Wilshire

That's fine. Go ahead.

Alderwoman Lu

Okay. Oh were you able to do any - | know that you started looking at 2018 and this study is described as through 2000 -
well a lot of the assumptions or the data was gathered through that year. I'm just thinking about projected growth. Do you
still feel it's projected to be the same 7,400 additional residents in the next 12 years?

Kyle Talente, President of RKG Associates

So you answer your question very clearly is yes. We didn't come across anything in doing this analysis that would make
us question that projection of information. Frankly, if anything, the impact of COVID in terms of folks wanting to move out
of highly dense areas, the current proliferation of telecommuting and folks not having to live as close to their job because
they don't have to go into work every day might even drive those numbers higher. | mean, Nashua is a very attractive
place to live. It is still “close enough to Boston” that if | only have to go into the office once or twice a week, that it
becomes a very viable option. And so if anything, | would say the last couple of years may have made that demand
increase not decrease.

Alderwoman Lu

Okay, thank you. Will you be sending us the PowerPoint?

Kyle Talente, President of RKG Associates

Absolutely. Yes. | believe Sarah already has it but I'll make sure that it gets into your hands this evening. T
Alderwoman Lu

Thank you. I'm all set. Thank you.

President Wilshire

Thank you. Anyone else have questions?

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Alderman Dowd

Yes Dan Hudson has a question online.

President Wilshire

Oh, Mr. Hudson?

Dan Hudson, City Engineer

No, | don't. If my hand is raised, that's a mistake. | apologize.

President Wilshire

Oh, okay. Nice to see you anyway. Okay. Seeing no more questions, I'd like to thank you, Mr. Talente and Director
Marchant, Director Cummings, and everyone involved. Director Cummings did you have something to add?

Tim Cummings, Economic Development Director

Yes, thank you. My apologies. For the record, Tim Cummings, Director of Economic Development. | wanted to talk
about next steps. So we did Phase | with the housing study. We just completed this Phase II, which is basically taking a
deeper dive into one of the recommendations that came about. Now the question is are we going to be actually looking to
implement some of these policy changes that we just heard about this evening? So what we have is a scope to continue
this conversation. It was suggested earlier maybe Human Affairs but I'm going to be looking for direction from this body
as to a couple of working group sessions to see if we can develop some consensus on a piece of legislation and
ultimately try to get a piece of legislation filed so you have something before you to make any of these ideas that we've
talked about reality. So that's what's coming down the pike. | wanted to just preview that for you and hopefully we can
continue this conversation because | know it's an important topic. Thank you.

President Wilshire

Thank you, Director Cummings.

Again, thank you for the presentation this evening. It was very informative and very, very good. Interesting.
Okay. We're gonna move on to reading minutes of previous meetings.

READING MINUTES OF PREVIOUS MEETINGS

There being no objection, President Wilshire declared the minutes of the regular Board of Aldermen and Special
Board of Aldermen meetings of September 8, September 14, and September 16, 2021 be accepted, placed on file,
and the readings suspended.

COMMUNICATIONS REQUIRING ONLY PROCEDURAL ACTIONS AND WRITTEN REPORTS
FROM LIAISONS

From: Lori Wilshire, President of Board of Aldermen
Re: Calling a Special Board of Aldermen meeting on Monday, November 15, 2021 at 7:00 p.m. Relative to an
Assessing Update on the Revaluation

From: Lori Wilshire, President of Board of Aldermen
Re: Calling a Special Board of Aldermen meeting on Tuesday, December 14, 2021 at 7:00 p.m. Relative to a
Presentation from the Beautification Committee

From: Matthew Sullivan, Planning Manager

Re: Referral from Board of Aldermen on Proposed R-21-169, Relative to the Authorization of the City of
Nashua to enter an Agreement and Consent to Joint Use with Liberty Utilities and making a supplemental
appropriation of $38,394

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From: Matthew Sullivan, Planning Manager
Re: Referral from Board of Aldermen on Proposed R-21-170, Relative to the Approval of the Imagine Nashua 2021
Master Plan

From: Lisa M. Fauteux, Director of Public Works
Re: Referrals from Board of Aldermen — R-21-165, R-21-166 and R-21-169

There being no objection, President Wilshire accepted the communications and placed them on file.

There being no objection, President Wilshire suspended the rules to allow for a communication that was received
after the agenda was prepared. President Wilshire to recognize Administrative Services Director Kim Kleiner to
speak on the communication.

From: Kim Kleiner, Administrative Services Director
Re: Staffing — City Hall

Kim Kleiner, Administrative Services Director

Madam President, members of the Board. Thank you for allowing me to speak this evening. Recently, the Board of
Aldermen have been made aware of some staff departures within the Assessing Department. The Board has also
received a communication stating several untruths as to why these employees have left the city.

At full staffing, the Department held the Chief Assessor, two Commercial Assessors, two Residential Assessors, a
Customer Service Supervisor, a Department Coordinator, and two customer service staff — a total of nine. Currently, we
have a Chief Assessor, two Commercial Assessors, and one customer service staff member. Three. The city is actively
recruiting, excuse me, four. The city is actively recruiting for all of the open positions.

The professional and knowledgeable staff within the Assessing Department has provided our residents with exceptional
customer service for many years. It is with great disappointment and loss that employees have chosen to leave the city. |
would be remiss in my duty if | fail to communicate the issues which have been shared with me as the Director regarding
their departure. Undergoing an improvement plan, software upgrade, policy review, and revaluation is difficult work but
the staff remained determined to the goals and the objectives set forth by the city. They remained resolved with the
commitment through the most of challenging times. The difficulty arose with the constant unsubstantiated criticisms
raised by a select group of individuals. Employees have been accused of untruths followed outside of the workplace,
based questions on their character, supplied thousands of documents through Right-to-Know requests and if it had
misinformation shared within public comment, the newspapers, and social media.

There was never a mention of displeasure with salary or benefits as a reason for the recent departures. The events over
the past two years caused by a Select few were stated as an unfortunate cause for leaving positions they otherwise
enjoyed. Public employees are often motivated in their work by a desire to serve the residents of the community. These
employees held that desire. To allow the departure of these employees to be labeled as anything else other than the
reason shared by them would be a greater injustice. We as a city, owe our dedicated employees our support and respect
as they carry out their duties and contribute to the success of our community. Together we are all the culture and the
environment which contribute to the success of our employees. Thank you Madam President.

President Wilshire

Thank you Director Kleiner. Period for public comment relative to items expected to be acted upon this evening. No one
has signed up. No one has signed up.

PERIOD FOR PUBLIC COMMENT RELATIVE TO ITEMS EXPECTED TO BE ACTED UPON THIS EVENING
Laurie Ortolano

There was no sign up sheet back there. Was there?

President Wilshire

Yeah, there was.

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Laurie Ortolano

Well | came in and there was no sheet. Nobody came and picked it up.

President Wilshire

Yeah they did.

Laurie Ortolano

Could | ask for public comment?

President Wilshire

You'll get three minutes. Go ahead.

Laurie Ortolano

Thank you. I'm rather disappointed by the letter that was just...

Alderman Caron

Name and address please.

Laurie Ortolano

Laurie Orlando — 41 Berkeley Street. I'm rather disappointed by the letter that was just read into the record by Ms. Kleiner
and | feel the need to comment to it because | didn't know that this letter had been produced. It really shows a lack of
sophistication on the part of some people in this administration, especially leadership people to summarize a public letter
or a citizen’s letter like that in that manner saving several untruths she said. This city isn't capable of recognizing that
citizens carry different opinions. It's not that it's an untruth. It's a perspective. It's an opinion and when Ms. Kleiner talks
about the changes in that office just so you know, | was unaware that those people had left. I've had difficulty recently just
asking for an updated report that | waited three weeks for because | didn't know you only had one clerical staff member in
there. Now, it would be nice if the administration would tell citizens that you're short staffed. Let us know.

You had the same problem in the Clerk's Office. We don't know that the line is eight people long because you only had
two clerks in the office. Tell us. So that's one issue. When your staffing is down and you don't have the citizens, you
don't speak to it. The fourth paragraph of this, “the difficulty arose with the constant unsubstantiated criticisms raised by a
select group”. | think my criticisms were very substantiated. A court ruled in my favor on my property appeal and for the
life of me | don't know why those assessors weren't sophisticated enough in this Legal office to recognize that that
property was incorrectly assessed, grossly incorrectly assessed. Had this city addressed my concerns differently from the
beginning, had somebody opened the door and said Mrs. Ortolano come on in, sit down, and we'll talk to you instead of
slamming them in my face, pushing me away, and reading e-mails about how my brain doesn't work right because I'm an
engineer and | can't understand assessing. It's insulting and that's the quality of the people you had in Assessing. | didn't
enjoy that.

With regard to articles or newspapers in social media...

Donna Graham, Legislative Affairs Manager

30 seconds

Laurie Ortolano

...you were the people who put me on the front page of the Telegraph for wasting money. Ridiculous. That was a poor
move. With regard to following people outside of the workplace, well that obviously didn't bother the employee because

that's the one who stayed who's here now. So you know, this is such an inaccurate - it just reflects perfectly on what is
wrong with this city and | would ask citizens get out and vote and replace these Aldermen in this chamber.

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Donna Graham, Legislative Affairs Manager

Time is up.

President Wilshire

Times up.

Laurie Ortolano

Time to move on. Thank you.

President Wilshire

| don't see anyone on Zoom that has requested to speak. Do you Donna?

Donna Graham, Legislative Affairs Manager

| do not.

President Wilshire

Okay moving on.

COMMUNICATIONS REQUIRING FINAL APPROVAL

From: Mayor Jim Donchess

Re: Multi Year Interpreting Services Contract in the amount not to exceed $3,500 funded from accounts 55699 Other
Contracted Services (Police Department)

MOTION BY ALDERMAN HARRIOTT-GATHRIGHT TO ACCEPT, PLACE ON FILE AND APPROVE A MULTI- YEAR

INTERPRETING SERVICE CONTRACT WITH LANGUAGE LINE PHONE SERVICES, INC., INAN AMOUNT NOT TO

EXCEED $3,500. FUNDING WILL BE THROUGH DEPARTMENT 150 POLICE DEPARTMENT; FUND: 55699 OTHER

CONTRACTED SERVICES BY ROLL CALL

ON THE QUESTION

Alderman Dowd

Yes - | believe this is for the Police, correct? Last night at the Police Commissioner's meeting this was brought up and |

think it probably would be best if we had someone from the Police Department come up and just give us a couple minutes

of the reason for this Resolution and the actual cost.

President Wilshire

I'm okay with that.

Jim Testaverde, Deputy Police Chief

Good evening everyone. Jim Testaverde, Deputy Chief of Police. Madam President, Mr. Mayor, Alderwoman and

Aldermen, thank you. I'll be brief. | spoke before Finance a couple of weeks ago and it was unanimously voted on. One

of the main cornerstones of the Chief's administration is strong community relationships. | believe you all know that and

this is one step in the right direction for our agency to continue to become a culturally effective organization as a

communications access plan is one of the main tenants of becoming a culturally effective communication.

Captain Craig Allard who's with me tonight found the Language Line Solutions, Incorporated, which we found out is being

used by NYPD an agency of 40,000 officers and they've invested $800,000 into it. We're not nearly asking for that

amount. On a daily basis, we provide interpreting services to the citizens of Nashua to conduct our business. We have

recently applied for some money through the Department of Justice Byrne Discretionary Funding and we'll find out what

the end of the month if we're going to get that money. If we get the money, we'll be able to use this device at a rate that
we've never been able to use it before for things that we've never been able to do before in order to communicate with the

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citizens of Nashua such as being able to use it at crime watch meetings, Ward meetings, NFR, Public Health, teachers,
DPW, even if it's not a police service, if there is a language barrier to include our hard of hearing and deaf residents, we'll
be able to use this service. It's a very progressive piece of technology. It's an application driven technology.

We already have the hardware with smartphones and iPads that was donated to the Police Department and this
organization, the aldermanic chamber voted last year on the T-Mobile Heroes Project and all of our cellular data for those
smartphones and iPads are free for 10 years. So we have the hardware for free. For $2,500, we can use unlimited
licensing on all of our devices indefinitely. We're asking for an additional $1,000 to get the ball rolling to use the services.

It was brought up at Finance, It was a very good point - what happens if we do not get the Department of Justice funding?
| can assure you this. On a daily basis, we're already providing interpreting services to the citizens of Nashua. We will
continue to do that despite Department of Justice funding from our own budget as we always have. The Department of
Justice money will allow us to do it for those instances that are non-police related or non-investigatory instances that we
just can't do now. But! assure you if we don't get this money, this is a great tool for our toolbox. It gives us access to
over 240 languages to include American Sign Language. We just hired interpreters for American Sign Language for a
very serious domestic violence case a couple of weeks ago to the tune of over $600. We're already doing that within our
own budget. | assure you we will not come here asking for more. | can answer any questions. | also have Mrs. Karen
Smith and Captain Craig Allard.

President Wilshire
Thank you Deputy.

Jim Testaverde, Deputy Police Chief

Thank you very much.
A viva voce roll call was taken which resulted as follows:
Yea: Alderman O’Brien, Alderwoman Kelly, Alderman Dowd, Alderman Caron,
Alderman Lopez, Alderman Tencza, Alderwoman Lu, Alderman Jette,
Alderman Laws, Alderman Cleaver, Alderwoman Harriott-Gathright,
Alderman Wilshire 12
Nay: 0
MOTION CARRIED
From: Mayor Jim Donchess
Re: Engineering Consulting in the amount not to exceed $2,600,000 funded from accounts SFR Loan (Engineering
Department)
MOTION BY ALDERWOMAN KELLY TO ACCEPT, PLACE ON FILE AND APPROVE THE ENGINEERING
CONSULTANT CONTRACT WITH HAZEN AND SAWYER OF MANCHESTER, NH, FOR THE CMOM
IMPLEMENTATION PHASE II IN AN AMOUNT NOT TO EXCEED $2,600,000. FUNDING WILL BE THROUGH
DEPARTMENT 169 WASTEWATER; FUND: SRF LOAN; ACTIVITY: CMOM PHASES II (PENIDNG APPROVAL) BY
ROLL CALL
ON THE QUESTION
Alderman Jette

Is there anyone prepared to make any presentation on that?

Dan Hudson, City Engineer

Madam President I'd be happy to give a brief description what this is. Dave Hudson, City Engineer. So this is the CMOM
Program it's called which stands for “capacity, management, operation, and maintenance”. This is a contract with an
engineering company Hazen who will provide us engineering support services. This is for operation of our storm water
collection and our wastewater collection systems. Having the CMOM program is required by EPA.

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We entered into a Phase | of CMOM a few years ago. Under that program - | should note that this contract about half of
the contract is actually for a subcontractor to clean and CCTV inspect pipes. So, this is not all engineering work. But
under the Phase | of this program which was the same value, we cleaned and inspected over 121,000 feet of sewer main,
24,000 feet of storm drains, inspected over 700 manholes, and through that process identified 320 pipes that needed to
be lined, found 11 pipes that require full replacement, 76 locations that required spot repairs - like places where we had
collapsed, sewer pipes and things, and did a number of other things. We completed required reporting to EPA and DES
and developed some documents which are in the CMOM manuals and some standard operating procedures and a
number of other things.

Through this contract, this is very valuable to us. This company works kind of as an extension to city staff in providing
additional engineering expertise and support in executing this program which as | said is required by EPA.

Alderman Jette
Thank you.
Dan Hudson, City Engineer

This will be funded through the SRF program State Revolving Fund Program. So it’s paid through a loan which is a long
longer term loan similar to a bond.

President Wilshire
Thank you Mr. Hudson. Anyone have questions? Discussion? Seeing none, would the Clerk please call the roll?
A viva voce roll call was taken which resulted as follows:
Yea: Alderman O’Brien, Alderwoman Kelly, Alderman Dowd, Alderman Caron,

Alderman Lopez, Alderman Tencza, Alderwoman Lu, Alderman Jette,

Alderman Laws, Alderman Cleaver, Alderwoman Harriott-Gathright,

Alderman Wilshire 12
Nay: 0
MOTION CARRIED
From: Mayor Jim Donchess
Re: Postage Machine Lease in the amount not to exceed $6,000.60 funded from accounts 55607

Postage & Delivery (Library)

MOTION BY ALDERWOMAN LU TO ACCEPT, PLACE ON FILE AND APPROVE THE REQUEST TO ENTER INTO A
NEW POSTAGE METER LEASE AGREEMENT WITH PITNEY BOWES FOR FISCAL YEARS 2022 THROUGH 2024 IN
AN AMOUNT NOT TO EXCEED $6,000.30. FUNDING WILL BE
THROUGH DEPARTMENT 179 LIBRARY; FUND: 55607 POSTAGE AND DELIVERY BY ROLL CALL
A viva voce roll call was taken which resulted as follows:
Yea: Alderman O’Brien, Alderwoman Kelly, Alderman Dowd, Alderman Caron,

Alderman Lopez, Alderman Tencza, Alderwoman Lu, Alderman Jette,

Alderman Laws, Alderman Cleaver, Alderwoman Harriott-Gathright,

Alderman Wilshire 12
Nay: 0
MOTION CARRIED
PETITIONS - None
NOMINATIONS, APPOINTMENTS AND ELECTIONS

The following appointments by the Mayor were read into the record:

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Capital Improvements Committee

Robert Canaway (reappointment) Term to Expire: August 1, 2022
7 MacDonald Drive
Nashua, NH 03062

Conservation Commission

Megan Cook (new appointment) Term to Expire: September 31, 2024
24 Harris Road

Nashua, NH 03062

Maya Friday (reappointment) Term to Expire: May 31, 2022

41 Manchester Street

Nashua, NH 03062

Cultural Connections Committee

Elizabeth Berry (new appointment) Term to Expire: September 30, 2024
505 Amherst Street

Nashua, NH 03063

Wei Lin (new appointment) Term to Expire: September 30, 2024
6 Cameron Drive

Nashua, NH 03062

Josefina Perez (new appointment) Term to Expire: September 30, 2024
136 West Pearl Street #7

Nashua, NH 03060

Eliane Cunha-Urgiles (new appointment) Term to Expire: September 30, 2024
23 Timberline Drive

Nashua, NH 03062

There being no objection, President Wilshire accepted the Appointments by the Mayor as read and referred them
to the Personnel/Administrative Affairs Committee.

REPORTS OF COMMITTEE
Personnel/Administrative Affairs Committee ........0.00 000. ee cee eee eee 09/07/2021

There being no objection, President Wilshire declared the report of the September 7, 2021 Personnel/Administrative
Affairs Committee accepted and placed on file.

Human Affairs Committee .........0.00 cece cece eee eee ee cee eee ee ne eaeeenane van nea 09/13/2021

There being no objection, President Wilshire declared the report of the September 13, 2021 Human Affairs Committee
accepted and placed on file.

Finance Committee .....0 00.00 cec cee cee eee cesses eee cae eee eee sae eeauee van aeaaea ees 09/15/2021

There being no objection, President Wilshire declared the report of the September 15, 2021 Finance Committee accepted
and placed on file.

There being no objection, President Wilshire suspended the rules to allow for the oral report of the Budget
Review Committee meeting held Monday, September 27, 2021, regarding Resolutions R-21-163, R-21-164, R-21-
168, and R-21-169.

Alderman Dowd

Yes last evening the Budget Committee recommended unanimously the approval of R-21-163, R-21-164, R-21-168 and

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R-21-169.
CONFIRMATION OF MAYOR'S APPOINTMENTS - None

UNFINISHED BUSINESS — RESOLUTIONS

R-21-143
Endorsers: Mayor Jim Donchess

Alderman Thomas Lopez
Alderman-at-Large Brandon Michael Laws
Alderwoman-at-Large Shoshanna Kelly
Alderman Patricia Klee
Alderman Jan Schmidt

PROPOSING AN AMENDMENT TO THE CITY CHARTER RELATIVE TO THE MANNER OF APPOINTMENTS TO THE

NASHUA BOARD OF POLICE COMMISSIONERS

e Tabled at Board of Aldermen August 10!" meeting

R-21-163
Endorsers: Mayor Jim Donchess
Alderman-at-Large Michael B. O’Brien, Sr.
Alderman Patricia Klee
Alderman Richard A. Dowd
Alderman-at-Large David C. Tencza
Alderman Linda Harriott-Gathright
Alderman June M. Caron
Alderman Jan Schmidt
Alderman-at-Large Lori Wilshire
ESTABLISHING THE USE OF FUND BALANCE FOR TAX RATE
Given its second reading;

MOTION BY ALDERMAN DOWD FOR FINAL PASSAGE OF R-21-163, BY ROLL CALL
ON THE QUESTION
Alderman Dowd

Just real briefly as the Mayor pointed out, there's $4 million being applied to the tax rate to bring the property tax rate
down in approximately the 2.5%.

Alderwoman Lu

Just a question of Alderman Dowd. Is that 2.5% is that number above last year's rate?

Alderman Dowd

No. That would be the rate for this coming year

Alderwoman Lu

Per $1,000?

Alderman Dowd

Correct me if I'm wrong but that would be the property tax rate. It's approximate right now because the tax rates set by
the State. Until the State sets it, we don't know the exact rate but that's the calculation that our finance people have come
up with.

Alderwoman Lu

Thank you.