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Finance Committee - Agenda - 2/2/2022 - P79

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10.

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shall be deemed to have been a termination at will. In that event, the City of Nashua shall,
if necessary, make an adjustment in the compensation paid to Professional Consultant such
that Professional Consultant receives total compensation in the same amount as it would
have received in the event of a termination-at-will.

C. GENERAL PROVISIONS FOR TERMINATION Upon termination of the contract, the City
of Nashua may take over the work and prosecute it to completion by agreement with
another party or otherwise. In the event Professional Consultant shall cease conducting
business, the City of Nashua shall have the right to solicit applications for employment
from any employee of the Professional Consultant assigned to the performance of the
contract.

Neither party shall be considered in default of the performance of its obligations hereunder
to the extent that performance of such obligations is prevented or delayed by any cause,
existing or future, which is beyond the reasonable control of such party. Delays arising
from the actions or inactions of one or more of Professional Consultant's principals,
officers, employees, agents, subcontractors, consultants, vendors, or suppliers are
expressly recognized to be within Professional Consultant's control.

DISPUTE RESOLUTION _ The parties shall attempt to resolve any dispute related to this
contract as follows. Either party shall provide to the other party, in writing and with full
documentation to verify and substantiate its decision, its stated position concerning the
dispute. No dispute shall be considered submitted and no dispute shall be valid under this
provision unless and until the submitting party has delivered the written statement of its
position and full documentation to the other party. The parties shall then attempt to resolve
the dispute through good faith efforts and negotiation between the City of Nashua
Representative and a Professional Consultant Representative. At all times, Professional
Consultant shall carry on the work under this contract and maintain and complete work in
accordance with the requirements of the contract or determination or direction of the City
of Nashua. If the parties are unable to resolve their dispute as described above within 30
days, if requested in writing by either the City of Nashua or the Professional Consultant
within 14 days after the 30 days described above , the parties shall attempt to resolve the
dispute by entering into structured non-binding negotiations with the assistance of a
mediator on a without prejudice basis. The mediator shall be appointed by agreement of
the parties, which agreement shall not be unreasonably withheld. If the parties cannot agree
to a mediator within 30 days or the dispute cannot be settled within a period of thirty (30)
days with the mediator, the parties’ reserve the right to pursue any available legal and/or
equitable remedies for any breaches of this contract except as that right may be limited by
the terms of this contract.

NO DAMAGES FOR DELAY Apart from a written extension of time, no payment,
compensation, or adjustment of any kind shall be made to Professional Consultant for
damages because of hindrances or delays in the progress of the work from any cause, and
Professional Consultant agrees to accept in full satisfaction of such hindrances and delays
any extension of time that the City of Nashua may provide.

INSURANCE Professional Consultant shall carry and maintain in effect during the
performance of services under this contract:

> General Liability insurance in the amount of $1,000,000 per occurrence;
$2,000,000 aggregate;

GC 6 of 13

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Finance Committee - Agenda - 2/2/2022 - P79

Board Of Aldermen - Minutes - 2/25/2020 - P11

By dnadmin on Sun, 11/06/2022 - 23:16
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Alderman Jette

So last night at the Budget Review Committee meeting, we discussed this. We thought that this wasn’t
going to be taken up for another couple of weeks, but | understand the urgency. But | had a question about
the Resolution, the analysis provided by the Legal Department, Attorney Bolton, had language in there
saying that that there’s an Ordinance that talks about the permit fees and that the Ordinance does not
provide authorization to waive those fees. So | questioned if we are not authorized to waive the fees, can
we, in fact, waive the fees by Resolution overriding an Ordinance. | put a call into Attorney Bolton’s office
today, | don’t know if he was in or not, but | haven’t received any answer. | was wondering if he could
address that question that we had.

Attorney Bolton

The analysis perhaps could have been worded better. The intention was to explain why it was necessary to
adopt this Resolution and why the waiver provision in the Ordinance itself did not apply to this situation.
Board of Aldermen has the authority to do away with the entire building code in the City of Nashua, not that |
would advise that. So the much lesser measure of waiving permit fees in a particular case for a good cause,
is within your authority so long as you are not doing it out of any illegal motive, discriminatory basis or
something like that. | don’t think that applies here.

Alderman Jette

OK could | speak further? As | said last night at the Budget Review Committee meeting, this is a wonderful
project. The people who are coming in, this Building on Hope Organization, has done wonderful things
throughout the State and they are coming in and providing volunteer labor, design, talent, material, at no
cost to the Police Athletic League. You know, renovating a building in an area of Nashua that needs
renovation. It would be, you know, the end result is going to be a great thing for the City. After | thought
about this, you know, the amount of the building fees are estimated to be between | think $1,300.00 an
$1,800.00 which is not a large amount of money. Certainly it is not going to break the bank for the City to
waive that. But it is also an amount that probably could be raised privately. | am wondering about, you
know, this is a wonderful organization, the Police Athletic League is a wonderful organization.

But there are a lot of wonderful organizations in town; Habitat For Humanity is a great organization. They
are building projects all over town. You know the Soup Kitchen is renovating a former school building and
that’s going to be a wonderful project. | am sure there are a lot of non-profit organizations that do wonderful
things in the City and to you know — Rivier University is a non-profit organization. | am just wondering if we
are going to waive the fees for this project, are other organizations going to wonder why they would not be
eligible for the same type of waiver. And if we are going to waive fees for non-profit organizations that are
doing wonderful things in the City, you know, should we amend the Ordinance to provide that the fees be
waives for non-profits? Or if we are not going to do that, you know, | mean | think we ought to have a
discussion about whether these organizations should raise the money for the fees or whether we are going
to waive all the fees. So for those reasons, | have trouble, although | think this is a wonderful project, | have
trouble supporting waiving the fees in this case. | don’t know if | am missing something, | don’t know if
people have other knowledge about what our policy is for other non-profits. Is this an exception or is this
something we do all the time?

President Wilshire
It is not something we do all the time Alderman Jette. This is the first time I’ve seen this actually.
Alderman Jette

That’s what | thought.

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Board Of Aldermen - Minutes - 2/25/2020 - P12

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President_Wilshire

Further discussion?

Alderman Laws

I’d just like to go on record as saying | will co-sponsor Alderman Jette’s Legislation waiving the fees for all
non-profits that are doing wonderful things in the City. Thank you for that idea.

Alderman Lopez

| just would want to observe that the Ordinance right now is specific to this situation. In the presentation, they
did make it clear that they had fund raised and they’d done a lot to try and do that and they just didn’t
foresee having the bandwidth, they were struggling to cross the finish line and they were asking the City for
a specific situation, which is what | think we granted them. We took the specific situation into account, we
crafted legislation specific to it and that’s one way of approaching this issue, where if a non-profit can make
its case, then we could look at it, we could evaluate it on its merits and the specific project they are doing.
Another way is to create an Ordinance that does kind of allow non-profits to apply on a more consistent
basis for this kind of thing.

| am not necessarily opposed to that either, but | don’t think that’s what this Ordinance specifically does. |
think, as was noted, this is a very useful service to the City that Building on Hope is providing, through a
non-profit that does things that the City benefits from. It enhances the City’s offerings for after school
programs for at-risk students. It creates athletic programs that we can be very proud of. Mike Fontaine is
for example, continually competes for Golden Gloves. And having a program, a boxing program in the inner
City where kids can work to earn that level of prestige and visibility and build that kind of positive self-
esteem, | think is invaluable. PAL is very involved in many other programs as well such as Cross Country,
Football and | wouldn’t want to see them divert resources which are targeting particularly needy children and
offering them that opportunity to get into athletics. So | think for this situation we are doing the right thing
and it is our job as Aldermen to look at each situation specifically. | do think there is an opportunity to
consider a more broad reaching policy. But | think this is very specific for tonight. What can we do for PAL
and how can we help them cross the finish line?

Alderman O’Brien

Thank you Madam President. As making the motion for final passage | obviously feel very comfortable in
making that motion. The reason is | would hate to come up with anything that blankets all cases, like an
Ordinance or something like that. We are a sitting Government Body and to echo what we just heard just a
few minutes ago from our Corporate Counsel, | think this Board can look at the different organization that
would perhaps maybe come before us. | don’t think Rivier College, | understand that they are a non-profit.

Alderman Lopez
University.
Alderman O’Brien

It’s a university. So | think we are talking a little apples and oranges to some degree there, no pun intended,
degree, get it, college? But anyways | think the authority of this Board to look at the each individual based
upon the merits of that organization that comes up. If we look at what we are talking about, we are talking
about PAL and it is sponsored particularly by the Nashua Police Department, which is an organization that is
under our umbrella with the City. The PAL is not a City Organization per se, granted. But they do use the
name sponsored with our friends in the Nashua Police Department that does the world good.

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Board Of Aldermen - Minutes - 2/25/2020 - P13

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So | put full trust on this particular bill to look or for this Board to look on a case by case basis, when they do
come up. It’s a rarity when they do. But we will be able to make the independent decision as they come
forward and act accordingly.

Alderwoman Lu

Thank you Madam Chairman. | had hoped to gather my thoughts for another meeting on this. But since it
has been raised, I'll try to gather them quickly. I’ve thought about this and you know | look at the ... | feel as
though this is a situation where we are opening our purse strings and we, in this body, that’s part of what
we do. But rather than being in the position to be able to please people and dole out money when they
ask, my feeling in this position is more | feel that | am protecting the money that residents have put into the
pot. So | looked at the, | thought about the Building Department, and | thought about the fees we charge
when people are, for building fees, permits, etc. And that Department does not take in as much as we pay
in salaries. So when we waive fees, we are basically saying, “someone else will pay for the time that our
City employees are going to put toward making, you know, carrying out that permit process, and that
inspection process”.

| also thought about Police Athletic Organization and LEAK. And they have substantial support from the
Nashua citizens through, there’s a Police Officer that is on duty that is paid for by the residents of Nashua.
And there is an allotment from our City grant, not sure what they are called but it is a substantial amount
that goes towards that organization. And | feel as though this is just a situation where an enterprising, well
let me just say, | was at the meeting when we had the presentation from the PAL representative. And |
don’t recall a case being made that they were just stretched and didn’t have the fees. My recollection or my
feeling is that it was just an enterprising, shot in the dark, and | just feel, | prefer not to waiver one group
that just had the chutzpah to ask for their fees waived. Thank you.

Alderman Klee

Thank you Madam President. | was at that meeting also and if | recall, they did speak about how they were
getting the funds and raising the money and that if we could do this, it would help put them over the edge to
the point of being able to accomplish that particular job and so on. Just as a side note, | would not want to
see an Ordinance of any sort that said, “all non-profits”. | think they should be on a case-by —case, | think
saying that someone who had the “chutzpah” to come is kind of, not as kind as it should be. | think the fact
that they came to us asking us for help and so on and | think, if | remember correctly, one of the things that
they asked us to kind of push this quickly was because they were on a timeline. All of these people are
volunteering their time, they have come forward. All these different independent contractors are willing to
do their piece and so on. But they are doing it in their off time and off hours.

So that’s why this was kind of rushed a little bit. | am not opposed to other non-profits, | would just be
opposed to any kind of blanket, | think we should look at everything on a case-by-case. And this particular
thing, and | look at the fiscal note on this, we are looking between $1,400.00 and $1,800.00. And | do also
respect the tax payers and the tax payer’s money. But we do other things; for instance we have elderly
credits, we have Veteran’s credits. We have all these other things that we do and we have taken into
consider. So | think on a case-by-case and they’ve come to us. It doesn’t mean that you should
necessarily feel in your heart that it’s the right thing to do. | will support this but | do think that they did ask
us and they did ask us to rush because the contractors are waiting. And as we heard the elevator, they are
ready to do the elevator and so on.

Alderman Lopez

So this mission of PAL is really to inspire positive interaction with the Police. That's something that | would
consider directly beneficial to the City. In very diverse communities where there’s a lot of people of
different economic levels and different cultural backgrounds, it may not always be apparent, but Police are
not always viewed the same way, whether it is because a family came from a country where Police were
not an ally or they were not as altruistic as our Police here in Nashua are.

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Or whether it was just the experience of having a father or an uncle or a brother or a neighbor even
arrested. That can be a traumatic and a defining moment in someone’s life. And | think when PAL was
started, there was great foresight in their minds that there needed to be a way to inspire positive interaction
and help Police be identified as neighbors and coaches and mentors and not just, you know, enforcers of
the law who come in you know the night and break into the house and make a whole ruckus and whatever.
Police can be very scary if you don’t have the context. And | think PAL does a very good job of building
that context. | think it makes better Police Officers to be engaged in the community and they need a
mechanism for that too. It’s not quite as easy, just walk into a neighborhood full of strangers and just
dribble a basketball and start shooting it with them. But PAL provides that opportunity for our Police. It
allows for community policing where, you know, officers can talk to kids about what is going on at home,
what kind of things are they seeing on the street, what scares them.

That’s a very good, and very healthy relationship to have and PAL does it for us essentially for free. We do
award them CDBG money, grudgingly as we do everybody else, because there isn’t enough of that to go
around. So every project that they propose isn’t just given, it is very, very carefully vetted and publicly run
through the gristmill | guess. There is a Police Officer who is posted there, but he’s not a babysitter, he’s
not there to serve them. He is there to be a Police Officer, that site operates as an actual sub-station. And
it benefits the Police Department to have these positive relationships with youth and in the community and
with families both ways. So | think, while it is a very valid point that the City staff that are involved in doing
building inspecting are likely going to be paid through a different revenue stream, | think PAL is one of
those agencies that really does a lot for the community and we get more than our money’s worth. And |
would encourage people to look at safe holding the money people invest in their taxes, but also safe
holding the money that people invest in their local charities, because in a lot of cases we are saving tax
money by having these charities operating for us. So it’s not quite as cut and dry as, “we are only in charge
of this pot”, because we have a whole community to represent. And | think PAL is a huge part of that.

Alderman Dowd

Well first of all | agree with what Alderman Lopez just said but since liasisoin to the Police Department | see
if these kids are on the street versus being involved with PAL, | can tell you that when they are on the street
getting in trouble, it’s a huge expense, compared to what we are paying here. So it’s well worth the
expense.

Alderman Laws

Everyone kind of just said the same things | was going to say. But! just wanted to clarify | was only being
half-serious earlier. | feel like it is definitely worth investigating.

Alderman O’Brien

| appreciate your Irish humor.

Alderman Laws

| also just wanted to make one last point that Building on Hope is an organization that may, in the future,
want to do projects in Nashua again. And we want to send them the right message that this minimal
investment on behalf of the tax payers will produce an amazing return on that investment for years to come.
And we welcome this kind of private investment into our community. So thank you Madam President.

President Wilshire

Well said Alderman Laws.

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Alderman Harriott-Gathright

| have a question. My question is, who owns the PAL building?

Alderman Lopez

Nobody. It is owned by a non-profit which is basically, there’s a Board of Directors that oversees it, but
there isn’t anybody who owns it.

President Wilshire

The non-profit owns it.

Alderman Lopez

OK the non-profit owns but there’s not like Shaun Nelson is not owning it, it’s a shared responsibility.

Alderman Harriott-Gathright

Just curious.

President Wilshire

Further discussion; the motion before us is for final passage of Resolution 20-015.
Alderman Jette

Did we vote on suspending the rules, did we already do that?

Attorney Bolton

The President says, “unless anyone objects” and no one objected so that’s the same thing as a unanimous
vote.

Alderman Jette

Thank you.

President Wilshire

The motion is for final passage; further discussion?
Alderwoman Lu

Would it be possible to amend the Resolution to transfer money from a contingency to the building
department to cover those fees? Do we have money in contingency?

President Wilshire
Why would that matter, it’s still, it's a wash. It would be a wash.
Alderman Dowd

The monies that we are talking about are in lieu of revenue coming in. So expending money out of, it’s
going to be like a double hit. We are just not realizing an income because we are waiving the fee.

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Alderwoman Lu

| thought that in a fiscal year there would be some type of effect on the bottom line if salaries were being
paid and fees were not coming in. So certainly the predicted income is going to be affected by waiving
fees. | know it is infinitesimal.

Alderman Dowd

The revenues in any department are estimates and we usually exceed them anyway. So it will not affect
the budget.

Alderwoman Lu

Thank you.

President Wilshire

Further discussion?

MOTION CARRIED

UNFINISHED BUSINESS — ORDINANCES - None
NEW BUSINESS — RESOLUTIONS

R-20-016
Endorser: Mayor Jim Donchess
Alderman Linda Harriott-Gathright
Alderman Tom Lopez
Alderman-at-Large Michael B. O’Brien, Sr.
AMENDING THE PURPOSE OF A FISCAL YEAR 2020 UNLIKE ESCROW FOR THE COMMUNITY
DEVELOPMENT DIVISION
Given its first reading; assigned to the BUDGET REVIEW COMMITTEE by President Wilshire

R-20-017
Endorser: Mayor Jim Donchess
Alderman Tom Lopez
Alderman Richard A. Dowd
Alderman-at-Large David C. Tencza
Alderman Patricia Klee
Alderman-at-Large Michael B. O’Brien, Sr.
Alderman Linda Harriott-Gathright
Alderman Skip Cleaver
Alderman Jan Schmidt
Alderman-at-Large Lori Wilshire
RELATIVE TO THE SUPPLEMENTAL APPROPRIATION OF $50,000 TO FUND A FEASIBILITY
STUDY FOR THE FUTURE REUSE OF THE ELM STREET MIDDLE SCHOOL BUILDING
Given its first reading; assigned to the BUDGET REVIEW COMMITTEE and schedule a public hearing for
Monday, March 23, 2020, at Nashua High School North, Room B166, by President Wilshire

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NEW BUSINESS — ORDINANCES

O-20-008
Endorsers: Alderman-at-Large Ben Clemons
Alderman Patricia Klee
Alderman-at-Large Michael B. O’Brien, Sr.
Alderman Tom Lopez
CHANGING THE STARTING TIME OF THE OVERNIGHT PARKING TIME LIMIT RESTRICTION IN
CERTAIN LOCATIONS
Given its first reading; assigned to the COMMITTEE ON INFRASTRUCTURE and
PERSONNEL/ADMINISTATORIVE AFFAIRS COMMITTEE by President Wilshire

O-20-009
Endorsers: Alderman-at-Large Richard A. Dowd
Alderman-at-Large Ben Clemons
Alderman Linda Harriott-Gathright
Alderman Patricia Klee
RELATIVE TO PUBLIC COMMENT
Given its first reading; assigned to the PERSONNEL/ADMINISTRATIVE AFFAIRS COMMITTEE by
President Wilshire

O-20-010
Endorsers: Alderman-at-Large David C. Tencza
Alderman Tom Lopez
Alderman Patricia Klee
Alderman-at-Large Lori Wilshire
CLARIFYING THAT COIN DEALERS ARE NOT SECONDHAND DEALERS
Given its first reading; assigned to the PERSONNEL/ADMINISTRATIVE AFFAIRS COMMITTEE by
President Wilshire

PERIOD FOR GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT

Laurie Ortolano 41 Berkeley Street. | came out tonight because | knew you were going to approve the
contract for Vision to start their Measure & List. | wasn’t certain if they were going to be here because KRT
had presented to you in 2018 before they started, and | actually thought Vision was going to be here tonight
to talk to you. | know the Board of Assessors is holding a special meeting on Monday at 4:00 with the DRA
to present the process and hopefully allow some public input.

But | wanted to speak to you a little bit about a couple things with the contract. | know you are all aware
that my belief was that the contract we had last time was not complied with well. There wasn’t a lot of
oversight and | do believe this time around there will be more. But what | notice about the contracts when
they are written, and | think they are largely developed by the DRA is they are very boiler plate contracts.
The one that is presented now is very similar to the one that KRT used. That’s fine but we still have to
make certain that there’s compliance within that contract. One of the specific areas | am concerned about
and interested in is the informal second hearings that were held by KRT that are also going to be held by
Vision, not only when they do the update but | believe as they go through and make changes to these
properties each year at the third of the City. | would imagine there will be some process where people could
question the changes they are making to the segmented properties they are looking at.

When KRT came to the Board and talked to you about that, there were a couple Aldermen, Alderman
O’Brien and Mary Ann asked good questions about that informal hearing process. Alderman O’Brien
wanted to know specifically what that was and to go over so the public could know what the process is,
what the hearing type is about and they can understand what is going to happen there.

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The President of the Company told the Board, “sure they come in, we go through their property record card
to make sure that there is no discrepancy with the data. We can explain how the value is arrived. If they
have comparable sales or what they feel are comparable, they can bring in and show them to us or
comparable assessments. If there are neighbors that have very similar houses and their values are very
different, it is those things that we can look at. So we do put together, for the tax payer, a little mini-manual
and we explain the whole process on how we develop the values, how the neighborhoods were
delineated”. It gets into pretty good detail.

Now anyone of you, if you went out and attended that informal Hearing, none of that happened. And that
was a bone of contention with me. First of all, we didn’t even know we were supposed to bring our property
record cards. The letter that was mailed to the home owners about these hearings never said, “get your
property record card”. Property record cards weren't on-line so unless you called City Hall and said, and
there were 2,050 people that went to these second hearings, most of them represented residential property
owners in each Ward. So that was roughly 5% of the residential property owners that came out. So if each
one of them didn’t call the Assessing Office and say, “Print my card and leave it over at the meeting for me
when | come out’, you were really lead to believe, or you would have been led to believe as an Alderman
seating here, that there would have been a computer there or the appraisers at the meeting would have
had access to a computer screen to pull up your property record card to go over it with you.

In fact, none of that was available. And this concept that they provided a little mini-manual or delineated
how these assessments were done was absolutely false and that was a big issue for us. What they did is
sit there and tells you, “we created a very sophisticated model, our model is very powerful’. That’s exactly
what they told residents during the abatement process who came in to talk about the abatements last
summer, June. We have a powerful model. That’s not compliant with the State rules on addressing
assessments and level of assessment.

As a matter of fact, IAAO and the State calls it out specifically says, “Never say we have a powerful model’,
because the taxpayer doesn’t understand that and they don’t have access to the model. You have to go to
a fee appraisal basis and you have to present properties within the neighborhood and show them that this
really is in line with what they think it should be. That’s what we know and that never happened. And no
one called them on that. So | appreciated the Alderman who addressed it, but | think this time around we
have to hold them, Vision when they come in, accountable in these informal hearings to value, defend and
justify the information that they are giving to us. And if they say they are going to provide us with mini-
manuals and explain the assessments in our neighborhoods to justify our values, then by God do it.
Because we walked away with nothing and we walked away from an abating process with nothing; two
rounds of it. They proved nothing. “We have a powerful model”.

There was something else | wanted to raise and | didn’t write it down. | can’t recall. So we will end it on
that. But | hope, | don’t know if Vision is going to come to this Board; | hope when they do, you ask a lot of
questions. Because of each one of you represents a Ward and | think that the property owners within that
Ward will all be stepping through this process. Oh | know what | wanted to raise, | am concerned and | have
written this in e-mails before to the City that in the next go-around, because our property cards have a lot of
questionable data on them, especially with the depreciation code. You are going to see properties that get
adjusted and changed significantly and | am really concerned and have been since the beginning of this
process that we are going to slam property owners with very high increases, because their properties just
weren't valued correctly, basically since the recession. We never quite got the right correction in after 2008
and we have moved this market up really heavily.

| even have a girlfriend who lives in New Jersey and they did an assessment down in her town and the
values came in very high; the City went nuts. They re-set everything back to the old value, they re-did it
again and then they decided to do a Phase-In over 3 years. People who saw increases above a certain
amount were given the increase incrementally placed in their property tax bill over a 3-year period to phase
it in to get this correction made.

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| am very supportive of something like that and | have written this to the Administration; | have never
received a response. | know that it would require some DRA effort, but | think it’s worth talking about now
before this happens in 2 or 3 years, to see if there’s any way to reduce the burden of what might be coming
down the road on some of these properties and especially where the market is so high. Our equalization
ratio dropped to 88.8%, we are in the second year outside of a revaluation and we are already 12+% under
market value, you know? We need a correction badly, actually. And if there were to continue to five years,
the market itself will be pretty hard on these assessments and then you couple that with potential errors on
the property record cards. It could be a real slam to a lot of people and | just don’t want to see people hit
like that. So | hope there’s some creative thinking that happens in this horseshoe and in City Hall to
address it. Thank you.

REMARKS BY THE MEMBERS OF THE BOARD OF ALDERMEN

Alderman Lopez

| just want to express my condolences to the family of Kristi Cunha, She worked for the Nashua School
District. She and | exchanged a lot of conversation about different ideas before we realized that she was
not in my Ward, so sorry June. But she was very interested in community events, she was very passionate
about doing research and being fair-minded to people. So | just wanted to extend my condolences.

And then | just also wanted to remind everybody that | will be going to Honduras next week so if there’s any
really important meetings, | can phone in, but probably won't.

President Wilshire

Thank you Alderman Lopez.
Committee announcements:
Alderman Caron

Yes thank you. Personnel meets on Monday March 2™ at 7:00 and | don’t know where we will be floating
around because | don’t have my paper; somewhere in City Hall.

Alderman Dowd

Yes tomorrow evening at 7:00 there’s a Special Board of Aldermen Public Hearing on R-20-012 followed by
a Special Budget Review Committee and then, | won't spoil your thunder for what follows, but they are all in
the City Hall Auditorium.

Alderman O’Brien

Yes and tomorrow night, saving the best for last, Infrastructure will be at 8:00 so you are welcome to chill
and hang out with the group, thank you.

ADJOURNMENT

MOTION BY ALDERMAN O’BRIEN THAT THE FEBRUARY 25, 2020, MEETING OF THE BOARD OF
ALDERMEN BE ADJOURNED

MOTION CARRIED

The meeting was declared adjourned at 8:30 p.m.

Attest: Susan K. Lovering, City Clerk

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