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Alderman Dowd

Excuse me?

President Wilshire

I’m good.

Alderman Dowd

And then see where everybody stands and whether it makes sense to even address that motion. But go
ahead.

President Wilshire

Anyone else on the motion to suspend the rules for a second reading? Alderman Tencza, do you have
your hand up?

Alderman Tencza
No, Madam President, sorry.
President Wilshire

Oh you had your pen up, I’m sorry. Alderman Lopez.

Alderman Lopez

| am opposed to the second reading because | think as Alderman Klee pointed out, if people are expecting
to be here, but chose to go to the Board of Education Meeting, | don’t think it’s fair to just run this right
through. We barely even had the public health department speak. And | appreciate that they were allowed
to after we brought it up and pointed it out. But that’s not a normal means of doing business. Normally we
have a presentation and then public comment on issues when we are having the public hearing format and
| think this has been kind of disorganized tonight. So | mean | am opposed to it just because | think people
should have more time to digest what was presented to them tonight and the public really doesn’t even
know what we are doing at this point.

President Wilshire
OK, anyone else? Alderman O’Brien.
Alderman O’Brien

Thank you, Madam President. | think what we had here was some confusion from an Alderman. Our
procedure should have been when it was under its first reading, all one Alderman had to do and usually
traditionally by our procedure is the sponsoring Alderman to make the recommendation of final passage.
That never was done. And then we got into this cling, cut, roundtable kind of debate on it. So now we are
kind of spinning our wheels. But | just want to make that point that | think, Madam President, you ran the
meeting well. Somebody just did not do their due diligence and make the proper recommendation of final
passage and open it to discussion and we discuss it. So thank you, Madam President.

Alderman Lopez

As a point of personal privilege, we have never recommended final passage without a second reading.

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President Wilshire

Ok anyone else? Would the Clerk please call the roll?

Alderwoman Kelly

Alright, Alderman Wilshire. | had my hand raised.

President Wilshire

| didn’t see you, I’m sorry.

Alderwoman Kelly

| might have not had my video on so that might be ... so | just wanted to respond to some of the things that
were said. | think that there are multiple people who were confused about this format and | think it would be
unfair of us to push this forward if there were other people who want to weigh in. | did just look back at the
outline and it did say that it was “anticipated referral” for tomorrow evening. So | don’t think anyone was out
of order in trying to figure out where that was going and | will not be supporting suspending the rules at this
time.

President Wilshire

Ok, anyone else, before | call the .... Alderman Gathright? Alderman Gathright did you have your hand up?
You are on mute.

Alderman Harriott-Gathright
| Know | saw it. Ditto to Alderwoman Kelly.
President Wilshire
OK. The motion is to suspend the rules to allow for a second reading. Would the Clerk please call the roll?
A viva voce roll call was taken which resulted as follows:
Yea: Alderman O’Brien, Alderman Clemons, Alderman Tencza 3
Nay: Alderman Klee, Alderwoman Kelly, Alderman Dowd, Alderman Caron,
Alderman Lopez, Alderwoman Lu, Alderman Jette, Alderman Schmidt,
Alderman Laws, Alderman Cleaver, Alderman Harriott-Gathright,
Alderman Wilshire 12
MOTION FAILED
President Wilshire
Motion fails; Alderman Dowd?
Alderman Dowd
Yes | think that it would be in our best interest if we continue the discussion with the Aldermen to get their

views if we are going to carry this forward to tomorrow night so we don’t have to have a complete reiteration
of all of the testimony again. If there is somebody new that likes to speak in public tomorrow that’s fine, but |

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think this is the meeting that we should have all the Aldermen give their views on the Legislation so that
tomorrow night, we are not having to go through another 2 hours of discussion.

President Wilshire

That was the original intent, this evening, Alderman Dowd.
Alderman Dowd

If it’s OK, I’d like to give my opinion.

President Wilshire

You're up.

Alderman Dowd

Alright. | am going to start by saying that | am opposed to passing this Legislation. And | will say that |
always support or most always support the Public Health Department. And when we discussed the mask
ordinance, | made the comment that if we didn’t support the Public Health, why do we have them. In this
instance though the Board of Aldermen has to take a bigger role. The reason being that we are talking
about individuals suffering loss of income, loss of home, not being able to feed their kids and also we put
rules in place at the beginning of the pandemic that these establishments are actually abiding by and to a
great degree. And | have not seen, you know, | worked in logistics for four years, | have not seen enough
data pushing it to a curfew as opposed to enforcing the rules we already have in place. And | can tell you if
we pass this Ordinance, who is going to enforce it.

| can tell you that the Police Department on the second and third shift are short-handed. They can’t be out
going into every restaurant to see if they are open and serving liquor or not. And | think we have already
heard from the Board of Health that they don’t have people, they are working hard all day doing testing and
all the other types of things for the pandemic. | think we are punishing too many businesses and individuals
that have already suffered enough. They have followed all of the guidelines that we have given them up to
date as far as outside dining, masks, putting up separating barriers. But now to shut them down completely
is something even more severe. And somebody would have to tell me what is the difference between 9:00
at night and 9:30 at night. None. If they are doing the same guidelines all day long, a couple more hours at
night is not going to make a difference. | think this was a concern that people were coming up from
Massachusetts and I’ve heard from a number of the establishments that’s not the case.

Another thing is if we close these people down at 9:30 besides losing their jobs and their homes and
everything else, the people from Nashua that want to be out after 9:30 are going to go to Manchester. And
we have already heard that their outbreak is even bigger and you are more likely to have people coming
back from Manchester with COVID than if they went in our establishments that are playing by the rules. So
for all those reasons and many more, | do not support this curfew. There may be some additional steps we
can take without closing these establishments, but as far as an out and out curfew | think that’s too far, too
much at this time.

President Wilshire

Further discussion? Alderman Jette?

Alderman Jette

Thank you, Madam President. | would encourage my fellow Aldermen to think about the fact that we have a

Public Health Department, we have a Board of Health. The Board of Health has three doctors on it. The
Department of Health has — the medical director is an infectious disease specialist.

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We have an epidemiologist on staff. The Director of Public Health is a Doctor of Public Health. These
people are much more qualified certainly than | am to judge the information, you know, there’s a plethora of
information that is constantly being disseminated many times very conflicting information. They are ina
much better position to analyze that to analyze the statistics as to what is happening. I’ve watched the
Board of Health meetings. You know, my fellow Aldermen they are telling us that we are in a crisis. This is a
very serious situation. The directive isn’t just to avoid going to bars at 9:30 at night. The overall directive is
to stay safer at home. Think about all of the public service announcements we received before
Thanksgiving and we are getting them now again before Christmas.

They are telling us don’t congregate with people outside your own family bubble, the people that you live
with. They are telling us we shouldn't visit our children, we shouldn’t visit our parents unless we live with
them. | saw Dr. Fauci today talking about how he spent Thanksgiving with just he and his wife, they visited
their children via Zoom. He is planning on doing the same thing for Christmas. That’s the message that we
are getting. You know the message isn’t telling us how we can go to a bar or a restaurant more safely. The
message is you shouldn’t be going. You know it’s not just wearing a mask, a mask is not a magic thing that
keeps you from getting COVID, it’s a combination of things. Wearing a mask helps, keeping distances, 6
feet, some people say 10 or 12 feet, washing your hands, don’t socialize with people outside your bubble.
These are all steps that we have to — it’s not just one thing, it is all of these things that we have to avoid
getting this disease and spreading it to others.

When people talk about the lack of evidence, | mean there’s certainly plenty of evidence, you know, | don’t
think any of you doubt the fact that COVID is spread by droplets, by vaporized droplets that are emitted from
one person who has COVID, emitting into the air through their mouth or their nose. So that’s the purpose of
the mask to cut down on that. The purpose of the distancing is to stay away from people so you don’t get
exposed to these vapors. So we know that. Now when people go to a restaurant or a bar they have to take
their mask off to eat and drink. And you’ve been at bars, you know what it’s like, people they are not staying
distanced, and they certainly are not keeping or staying within their family bubble, there are strangers there.
So | mean it is a bad situation, encouraging people, allowing people to go to these places is probably a bad
idea to begin with.

Now our Health Department, our Board of Health is telling us that this is a step that we ought to be doing to
help prevent the spread of this disease. We are talking about you know the vaccine starting to become
available. It is going to be a while before we get the vaccine, it’s going to be awhile before enough of us are
vaccinated, not once but twice, so that we can safely go back to normal. That’s a long ways away. Now the
people that spoke tonight, I’ve read their emails, | have heard their testimony, | understand how this is
adversely affecting the businesses, it’s adversely affecting the business, it is adversely affecting the
employees. You know these people are going to suffer but the restaurant, the hospitality business isn’t the
only business being affected by this virus. There are a lot of businesses that are closed, there are a lot of
people who are unemployed.

The Federal Government and the State Government came up with ways to try to help people get through
this period and the Federal Government, | think today, passed more Legislation. They say that after the
new Congress gets into office, that they will be doing more and hopefully, | mean | think this is something
that we all ought to be participating in and | wish that we used the Federal Government money to pay
people to stay home until this thing gets over with and to help these people that spoke tonight about how
they are afraid of losing their jobs. | think that there is help coming. The Legislation that passed today
increased unemployment compensation, there’s stimulus money that’s coming through. And | heard that the
restaurant business in particular is going to be given money in the form of grants or loans or things, there
are things that the Government is doing to help you people and | think that hopefully that’s what will happen.

But to say that because you need a job and | understand that, that we ought to be telling people to go out
and expose themselves to this disease, you know, risk getting sick, risk spreading it to other people, risk
death, risk causing disease and death to other people. | think we are losing sight of what our priorities are.
Alderman Dowd mentioned enforcement and how the Police can’t do this. | spoke to Chief Carignan. Chief
Carignan said that they will enforce whatever laws we pass, they will enforce it. He said this is a very

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serious matter, if we pass this ordinance they will enforce it. So the argument that the Police can’t enforce
this or the Department of Health can’t enforce this, that’s not a reason not to do this. There may be other
reasons but | am going to support our Board of Health, | am going to support people who | think know a lot
more about this than | do and to tell these doctors who are volunteers that — thank you for your
recommendation but we are going to, we think we know better, | think is a slap in their faces and | think is
not the intelligent way of approaching this very, very serious pandemic. Thank you, Madam President.

Unidentified chatter Time is up.
President Wilshire

Sorry for the interruption. Would you please not interrupt when the Aldermen are speaking, you are not
helping your case any. Alderman Lopez?

Alderman Lopez

| agree with Alderman Jette specifically that the Government is not doing enough; | hope some help is
coming. | am glad it took them 9 months to actually get around to this second half a stimulus that we’ve all
known was coming. As far as | have been watching Public Health has been saying we are going to have a
huge wave of outbreak in the fall since the spring. We have been continually warned about this and | mean
| personally am not waiting for Washington to figure out what they are doing because it takes them forever.
And | don’t think the State is positioned either to act quickly that’s why | am particularly motivated to do at
least something that we can, specific to Nashua to protect Nashua because that’s something | can do. |
think Government indifference or Government politicking has been going on all year and this is a heavily
self-inflicted wound not only because we didn’t take steps to prevent outbreaks before they really broke out.

But then we also had extremely mixed messaging on what we were supposed to do in order to combat this
thing and it’s made people extremely divisive. While Alderman Jette was talking, | don’t know if everybody
else sees it and to be frank | don’t know if that would be considered public comment or not but there is a lot
of comments popping up about people who are overtly stating that they are not going to stay away from their
families for Christmas they are absolutely going to do whatever they want and it is up to the person who is
worried to stay home. And that’s the problem, we are giving a platform for people to interact and make their
own choices on behalf of everybody else in the room. To shed a little bit of light on what was discussed in
some of the Board of Health Meetings that might have kind of gotten buried is the justification for the 9:30
timeframe, it was originally 9:00 and that was not because just Massachusetts had a curfew, it was brought
to our attention at the time from somebody working in a restaurant that we were getting a whole bunch of
people coming up and we needed to be worried about super spreader events before Thanksgiving because
after 9:00 there’s this whole bunch of people.

But the justification that the Board of Health was actually paying attention to was the reasoning that
Massachusetts put that curfew in place in the first place. Massachusetts didn’t just spin a wheel and put
9:00 on there either, they looked at times of risk and exposure and what can they do to limit the spread
without impairing their entire business and their infrastructure. | am approaching this more from a
perspective that at the growth rate that we are seeing, we are going to have much more draconian
measures put in place at some point if we don’t stop what is happening now. We saw a massive surge after
Thanksgiving, we are seeing that surge continue into Christmas. New Years is another major drinking
holiday, so we are looking at an upcoming period of at least two weekends where there’s a major holiday
and there’s going to be a lot of people who are interested in going out and celebrating. And then yeah after
that they are probably going to go to house parties and all that kind of stuff, whereas if they didn’t get started
and they weren't already intoxicated, they are more likely to make safer decisions or to think things through
a little bit more clearly than they would be after having a couple of drinks and being out at 11:00 and having
met somebody at a bar that they want to continue the night with.

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So the Public Health Department and the Board of Health is pointing us towards this because it’s a specific
intersection of risk factors. Yes, there isn’t specific data to what would happen if you do a curfew in Nashua,
New Hampshire under these exact circumstances. There’s plenty of data over what happens when people
stop getting into a room and breathing on each other, there’s plenty of data that supports using masks and
making sure that there isn’t exposure. That’s exactly what restaurants are trying to implement themselves.
When they keep people socially distanced, when they enforce the masking, and when they are doing the
cleaning. But objectively speaking we are still in the middle of an outbreak, we are still seeing a steeper, a
much steeper curve than we even saw in April and no matter how you want to spin it or cherry pick the data
and make yourself feel better about what the risks that we are facing, the risks are still taking place.

COVID-19 is not taking a political stance, it’s spreading as much as it is able to in whatever opportunity. If
there are other areas that we need to be looking at, then we need to be looking at those in terms of disease
transmission and | trust the Public Health Department to be doing that, because the Public Health
Department has been inspecting all of these places, approved the openings, approved all of the measures
that they were taking, and of course they know what is going on in terms of how businesses are being run.
You have to have their permission in order to run your business and in order to maintain it. So | don’t
understand the dual argument of “they don’t know what is going on” while at the same time saying “well but
we do want to work with them”. Because everybody has been working with them, everybody has been
following the Legislation that this Board passed in order to mitigate the spread. And it was successful over
the summer because we were able to congregate outdoors. Now that we have a higher level of spread, and
less business, it doesn’t really take a lot of data to suggest that it is happening more frequently because
people are indoors and they are spending more time indoors with each other.

So looking at the factors where members of multiple families are interacting in the same space unmasked, is
something that we need to be looking at and that’s why the Public Health is making the recommendation.
It’s also unfortunate that this is unfairly impacting restaurant staff in terms of their economics, but restaurant
staff are also the highest denominator in terms of getting sick at the restaurants. They are the ones who are
having to incur medical costs and medical bills. They are the ones who are taking on the risk of spreading it
to their families. One of the only people that have actually seen in terms of public comment who straight up
said, “I’m responsible for spreading COVID-19 and this something that I’m part of’ was in an email that we
received where a young lady admitted basically that she was going out, she contracted it at a bar and she
spread it to her family members. These are situations that | am sure all of the people who are here
representing the restaurants and who are committed to the dialogue of “we don’t want the curfew to happen”
disagree with, but these are things that we are supposed to be mindful as Aldermen. We are not supposed
to be creating this kind of scenario where people have to choose; single mothers have to choose to expose
themselves and therefore their children and their family to COVID-19 because they can’t pay rent.

We should be doing more to help forestall evictions, make sure that supports are available to individuals, we
should be doing that at the City level and not waiting for the State to do everything. And we should be
looking at how we can actually help businesses with the resources that we have. We have not been
organizing any kind of coordinated meetings for months now. We have not been coming up with any more
revolutionary strategies along the lines of the outdoor dining, we haven't really tried. And | think we need to
be doing that in order to ameliorate what’s going on for restaurants. But we have had the opportunity to do
phased in and incremental strategies over the last several months. When the Board of Health wanted to
make a pure recommendation on what to do back on Thanksgiving, all of the restaurants that are here were
part of that discussion and made public comment and | haven’t really seen that public comment changing
regardless of what the Board of Health is saying. | don’t think we can shift or pivot fast enough to address
the primary issues and that’s lives and that’s COVID-19.

We need to make sure that the outbreak that we are experiencing right now doesn’t reach a point where we
can’t manage it and we can’t contain it any further. And | think if we don’t take action on this, we have two
very likely events.

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Unidentified Speaker interrupts
President Wilshire

Mr. Mathias, please don’t speak out of turn.

Alderman Lopez

| am just going to resolve by saying if people can’t even obey the courtesies of a meeting, how are we really
putting our faith of people’s lives in them, how they are obeying these courtesies socially. Everybody has a
different opinion, passions override, people are really tired of COVID-19 and all of these restrictions and
believe me, | get that. But that doesn’t mean that we can just ignore it or turn our gaze away. If we have a
public health crisis we need to treat it as a public health crisis and work with businesses that are unfairly
impacted the way that they deserve to be.

President Wilshire
Alderman Laws.
Alderman Laws

Thank you, Madam President and thank you everyone who has spoken tonight. There’s a lot of really
compelling testimony. | am going to be super brief. | will say that | agree with Alderman Jette and Alderman
Lopez that the numbers aren't lying and there is an issue with bars. But that’s not what we are talking about
right now, what we are talking about is implementing a curfew on bars and restaurants and | haven’t seen
any data or numbers that say that there is a correlation there between the curfew and those numbers and
bars being opened later. If you are leaving most be a vast majority of the places that serve food and alcohol
open to operate during most of their business hours anyway, all day long, you are not doing anything to
combat this.

If you want to have a debate about whether or not we should be working towards finding some economic
stimulus to help restaurants and employees stay home so we can curb the spread of the virus by closing
down bars and restaurants, | am all for that debate, | am willing to have it, | am looking forward to it. But we
are not talking about that, we are talking about a curfew. The Board of Health, who | have nothing but
respect for, | mean Director Bagley had her g-tip so far up my nose this week that it scratched my brain, |
finish every conversation | have with her which are far more frequent than | am sure she would like with
“Thank you for everything that you do” because she is amazing and | know that they are under a lot of
stress.

But that being said, them saying that we should have a curfew is kind of the same thing as them saying
everybody should wear a pirate hat. There’s no correlation between the curfew bringing down the numbers
and how it is going to affect the COVID numbers in Nashua, it’s just kind of a —| don’t want to call it a knee
jerk reaction but it’s just kind of you need to do something because the numbers are out of control. So as
far as the curfew is concerned | am 100% rally against it. No one has made a compelling argument for it yet
so until that happens, that’s where | am going to be. Thank you all very much.

President Wilshire

Thank you Alderman Laws. Anyone else that wishes to speak? Alderman Tencza?

Alderman Tencza

Thank you. Just briefly so | am of the opinion and | don’t support the curfew or this Legislation. | agree

though that if we could go back and have much more input from our Public Health Departments and let them
control a little bit more, not just here in Nashua but regionally and nationally we would be much better off

A regular meeting of the Board of Aldermen was held Tuesday, December 13, 2016, at 7:30 p.m. in the
Aldermanic Chamber.

President Brian S. McCarthy presided; Deputy City Clerk Judy Boileau recorded.

Prayer was offered by Deputy City Clerk Judy Boileau; Alderman Ben Clemons led in the Pledge to the Flag.
The roll call was taken with 15 members of the Board of Aldermen present.

Mayor James W. Donchess and Corporation Counsel Steven A. Bolton were also present.

REMARKS BY THE MAYOR

Mayor Donchess

| know that you are all interested in the Safe Stations Program. That's been operating for not quite 4 weeks
and it’s been quite successful. We've had incredible dedication from the fire department, Harbor Homes and
the Health Department, all of who have been involved in making this possible. In the first 26 days 29 people
have reported to a fire station, principally at Amherst Street or East Hollis Street and they have all been picked
up very quickly by Harbor Homes and have been referred into various treatment and other types of programs.
In addition to that, about that same number have called seeking information about treatment programs. Now
we have adopted in essence a two-pronged approach. First, the police department has arrested 700+ drug
dealers this year. Chief Lavoie says that the word on the street is that Nashua is not a place to deal or buy or
sell heroin so people are going elsewhere to get it. It’s less available and more expensive in Nashua than
elsewhere as a result of the activities of the police department. On the other side in terms of treatment and
recovery the fire department, through Safe Stations, Harbor Homes, through Safe Stations is giving people
who want to get out of a very bad situation a place to go so | think by using both of these tools we can make
progress with respect to the opioid epidemic in Nashua.

On the agenda tonight is the teacher’s contract which is a one-year contract for 1.3%. This was recommended
by the Budget Review Committee and | hope you will approve it. | think it is a fair contract. The teachers have
undertaken many challenges over the last few years, they have acclimated themselves and the school district
to the Common Core. They have implemented a new grading system through competency grading and faces
many new challenges related to some of the social problems that exist today, kids coming to school without
food, who aren’t properly fed or clothed, It’s very challenging to try to help children whose families are not
taking proper care of them or are unable to for a variety of reasons. | think they have shown great dedication
and our district pays about 50" in terms of average pay for school teachers in the state. Our average pay is
about $59,000. | think the 1.3% increase under all of those circumstances is very reasonable.

Tomorrow we have a legislative breakfast and if some of you could come that would be great. We are going to
be talking about some of the major issues facing the city including the downshift in the pension cost, the opioid
epidemic, school aid and other subjects. We do have 3 bills pending now to address the pension problem.
The first one is sponsored by a representative on the sea coast to restore part of the state’s subsidy or the
original commitment that the state had for the municipal pensions. Second and third bills proposed by
Representative and Alderman LeBrun and Representative McKay that would fix the assumed rate of return at
7 % as opposed to 7 % and the other would extend the deadline by which the state pension system must reach
100%. | want to thank Alderman LeBrun and Representative McKay for their help with those bills. We met last
week and there were a few other participants there, Tim Twombly, David Cote and Carl Siedel. | think we are
working together as a delegation and a community to try to take care of the downshifting that will have a
negative effect on Nashua services and Nashua taxpayers.

Also on the agenda we have the holiday parking ordinance and | hope you will pass that because | think that’s
worked well over the past couple of years.

We have the ordinance sponsored by Alderman Schoneman to make permanent the overnight parking
program and to add a few more streets. That’s been on a one year at a time trial basis up to now and has

G. The name and address of the office to which the payment of the penalty may be made.
H. The time period during which a reduced penalty may be paid in full satisfaction of the

citation.
I, Notification that failure to pay the penalty may result in court action.
J. The signature and printed name and department of the individual issuing the citation.

§ 74-3. Service of citation.
A. Any citation shall be served by the official issuing it in any one of the following ways:
(1) _ Inhand to the person responsible for the violation; or

(2) By certified, registered or U.S. Postal Service first class mail, to the last known
address of the person responsible for the violation, or as listed with the NH
Division of Motor Vehicles.

B, The official serving the citation shall maintain a record of the date, time, and manner of
service of the citation including the post office receipt if service was accomplished by
registered or certified mail.

§ 74-4. Citation penalties.

A, (1) The penalties for any offense relating to the following ordinances for which a
citation has been issued shall be as follows:

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§ 182-28 $ 50.00 $ 100.00 $ 250.00 Exterior standards.
§ 182-29 $ 50.00 $ 100.00 $250.00 Interior standards.
§ 182-30 $ 50,00 $ 100.00 $250.00 Premises and accessory structure standards,
§ 182-31 $ 50.00 $ 100.00 $ 250.00 Emergency and Code Enforcement Dept Information
§ 182-32 $ 50.00 $ 100.00 $ 250.00 Standards.
§ 182-33 $ 50.00 $ 100.00 $ 250.00 Sanitary facilities
§ 182-34 $ 50.00 $ 100.00 $ 250.00 Mechanical requirements
§ 182-35 $ 50,00 $ 100.00 $ 250,00 Electrical requirements
§ 182-36 $ 50.00 $ 100.00 $ 250.00 Means of Egress Standards
§ 182-37 $ 50,00 $ 100.00 $ 250.00 Lodging Units
§ 182-38 $ 50.00 $ 100.00 $ 250.00 Number of exitways
§ 182-39 $ 50,00 $ 100.00 $250.00 Egress Doors
§ 182-40 $ 50.00 $ 100.00 $ 250.00 Fire Escapes and Ladders
§ 182-41 $ 50.00 $ 100.00 $250.00 Smoke detectors/alarm devices
§ 182-42 $ 50.00 $ 100.00 $ 250,00 Fire Suppression systems
§ 170-2 $ 100.00 $ 250.00 Court Appearance FS License required
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today than we are with the surge. | don’t think, you Know everyone expected this surge to come because we
are indoors a little bit more now but like Alderman Laws said, I’m not sure that just imposing this curfew is
going to curb the spread as much as we would like or it would be as effective as we would hope for. | think
some in some of the statistics that Public Health showed, you know, there are other businesses and
organizations which are equally contributing to the spread of COVID in our community like gyms but we are
not talking about shutting them down, we are not talking about taking full measures to really make a
difference. And | think that since it would just be effective in Nashua, people are going to come and go.
And if gym shut down in Nashua they are going to go to Merrimack or wherever else. So unfortunately this
is, | appreciate Alderman Lopez’s comments about doing what we can and | am sure there is more we can
be doing. | think Director Cummings would probably disagree with him that there haven’t been
conversations ongoing with people to try to help and relieve whatever pressure we can as a City. But it’s
really got to be a strategy that’s beyond just what we can do.

To address one other point that Alderman Jette made about listening to doctors. My doctor would tell you,
he’s been telling me to lose weight and drink less for years and | don’t always take his advice there either so
| sincerely appreciate the doctors on the Board of Public Health what they are doing. | appreciate the fact
that Dr. Cappetta said that their view is public health but | think unfortunately or fortunately our view as the

Board of Aldermen is a little broader than that as Alderman Dowd said. So | will not be supporting this
tomorrow night. Thank you.

Alderman Cleaver

Yes, thank you Madam President. | think to ask a set of businesses to shut down partway through their day
makes no sense to me. | am against this Legislation because they still have to do their planning, their
scheduling, their inventory, their whole day’s work in advance but shut it down partway through, it makes no
sense and it is punishing a set of businesses for the problem that is much much much wider. So | am not
going to support this Legislation. | fully support the Board of Health and everything that they are trying to do
but | think this is not going to help. | just don’t see the logic. Thank you.

President Wilshire

Anyone else? | am not seeing anyone. So Madam Clerk, | believe that the motion on the floor is for a
second reading.

Alderwoman Kelly
That motion failed.
President Wilshire
That motion failed ok.

Alderman Lopez

| thought this was just discussion.

City Clerk Lovering

President Wilshire, | do not have a motion on the floor, just the discussion on it.
Alderwoman Wilshire

Alderman Wilshire?