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Board of Aldermen 03-08-2022 Page 18

Alderman Comeau

Thank you Madam President. | was actually going to ask the same question. It seemed like a lot of conversations were
centered around the people making the U-turns. In general, | favor things that are less restrictive. | feel like the more we
keep the cars moving, the less they’ll be backing up somewhere else. | know it’s been said that the traffic isn’t necessarily
the people leaving the gas station, but the fact is there is significant increase because of that. So it’s just increasing the
number of cars in the area in general and people making a right turn in the face of somebody making a U-turn are already
doing the wrong thing because you’re supposed to be waiting until there is an opening. I’m not sure if we further restrict
that if people who are already doing the wrong thing aren’t just continue doing a different wrong thing, but it will also slow
down some people who may have the opportunity to go and now won't be able to if they do follow the instructions of the
signage when it might have been perfectly clear to make their turn and now they're not going to and that is going to back
up everyone else who’s trying to get out of that roadway.

My thought as far as getting rid of the U-turn was that the next light is only a couple hundred feet up. | know it is also a
busy intersection because it’s Spit Brook Road, but the timing of those lights offers a green arrow for U-turns specifically.
The north bound and south bound lanes have the simultaneous lefts. So that flows pretty well. In my experience, | don’t
know what impact this would have on that but it seems that if our concerns are largely centered around the U-turns and
not the right turns, then maybe we should be looking to restrict that instead.

Alderman Dowd

Yes. | just want to ask the question having been familiar with infrastructure changes in Ward 2. What type of
infrastructure studies would you need to make this happen - signage and is that going to be in place before we are making
other changes to that intersection or taking advantage of the traffic study to find out what the ultimate solutions are? | will
tell you that | think that U-turn to go north is dangerous. So either you shouldn’t be able to take the U-turn when people
are taking a right which would say “no right turn on red”, so I'd be in favor of what we’re asking right now but how long
would it take to implement that?

Dan Hudson, City Engineer

I’m not sure if | fully understood the question. | will tell you what has been looked at is the lengthening the southbound left
turn. That’s something we know is not quite enough storage and that was looked at as part of the Costco study and that
change is planned to be made by Costco.

The right turn on red, as | said, | don’t foresee significant backups as far as safety issue. | don’t think it’s going to
significantly change things, but it is going to reinforce the fact that we don’t believe it’s safe to make that maneuver with
the U-turns. When the Costco development is constructed, that will connect through some of the other ways to come and
go. That may help. Those are the kinds of changes we talked about. Also Costco as part of their offsite development,
they plan to lengthen the turn lanes and it may | believe even change the configuration where you would have a left
through lane and a right turn only lane which would improve some things there because you could maybe have a right
turn signalized overlap with another move. There are some things in the works. Nothing immediate. For this change if it
was approved, it would be simply putting up no right turn on red sign at the signal on Adventure Way.

Alderman Cathey

To Alderman Thibeault’s point, DPW did contact me and said that Thibeault would support the legislation if | did not. My
first question was | need a traffic study. I’m not going to do anything without data. That doesn’t make any sense.

Secondly, the right on red still doesn’t make sense because the majority of people who are going northbound know that
you can leave Bu’s going northbound at that one exit. There is a very low probability that people who are going to loop
back around Bu’s back down, which you can do, and then go back up to make the right on red. It’s not expedient. It
doesn’t make sense. So the majority of the traffic is SkyVenture, CVS (which already has a very, very compacted parking
lot). | do not take my Ford F150 in there because it’s very difficult to get out. The same thing with Best Buy if you want to
go back down around or go into the garage or whatever. So in my opinion, a majority of the traffic is businesses that are
not related to BJ’s and they will be prohibited especially when the shopping season comes up and then even more so
when Costco gets built and gets connected. | think the back-ups are going to get worse and | think the right on red (there
has been no accidents reported | don’t think at that U-turn for right on red U-turn) so maybe it has been dangerous
anecdotally but there hasn’t been an uptick in accidents, so | don’t think that it’s necessarily a problem that hasn’t already
existed and | don’t think this solves the problem either.

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Alderman Thibeault

| mean this was a problem even before Bu’s. It’s not probably strictly for that and Mr. Hudson can certainly attest to what
kind of complaints they were getting before. Obviously it got to a point where they asked me to sponsor this bill.

| just wanted to address something Alderman Comeau said that so we have two sets of apartments - Bluestone and
Louisburg Square. You have Royal Crest, but to Alderwoman Kelly's point, Royal Crest can get out the other way. Now
of course if they’re closer to there, now we’re going to make them go all through the whole Royal Crest to get out. That’s
fine, let them go, we don’t care, right? The other two sets of apartments, you are still talking thousands of people, right.
So now you're going to tell them don’t take the U-turn, go down to the light, we’re going to make your life uncomfortable
so people don’t have to obey the right turn on red law. So let them go right on red. We don’t care. We want the other
people to move all the way down there so why should we inconvenience them for people who are breaking the law
anyway. That’s the part that | don’t get.

Thank you to Alderman Klee and Mr. Hudson for talking about those lanes. There are only two lanes there so what
happens if you’re going to Shaw’s and you’re going straight, you're block every single person that wants to go right
anyway and it backs up that way. | know. | go to CVS and then | go to Shaw’s, so | know sometimes I’m the one blocking
everybody. So | just want to point a few of those things out and thank you.

Alderman Klee

Thank you Madam President. Truthfully | think this was a pre-Bu’s. BJ’s may be exacerbating it but | think it was a pre-
BJ’s issue and | say that because | have used that CVS for a pharmacy. | have done a lot of shopping at Best Buy and |
turn in on that way when | come in the way that I’m coming. | can tell you that | have right turned on red there, and | am
careful, and | am very cautious. You get part way out there and suddenly that person is - because they have the light. |
can't see that they have the light. Everything is paused, the light turns, and there have been some near misses. So to
say that there were no accidents there, if our Public Works is getting complaints, and this is becoming an issue, and
they’ve gone and they’ve looked at it, | feel confident that this is something we should pass and I’m grateful that there will
be other studies being done as more businesses come into there and so on. | think this is a stop gap issue. We can’t ask
all those people - and I’ve been in line multiple cycles to do that turn or to do a U-Turn there. | think it’s something that we
should pass this evening.

Alderman Clemons

| agree with what Alderman Thibeault previously said about the residents who live there. You can’t restrict the U-turn
because we don’t have a viable option for them to go the other way. That’s the problem. This was a problem before Bu’s
and actually was a worse problem before BU’s because in addition to the right turn, the parking lot was also at the same
entrance. So you could have somebody making a left turn into the parking lot and crossing over where you were turning
right. That doesn’t exist anymore. That problem is solved with the new Bu’s gas station. However those that are still
making the U-turn, it is a problem and so | think we need to take deference to the people who live in the neighborhoods
who need to utilize the Daniel Webster Highway and make that U-turn and give them the preferential treatment that they
deserve by living in a neighborhood where unfortunately the only way that they can go north conveniently is to make a U-
turn. They shouldn’t have to do it fighting somebody else coming out of that intersection.

| know that it’s not perfect, it’s not a perfect solution. It certainly — | wish in a perfect world everybody would do the right
thing and we wouldn't have to worry about making laws like this. But unfortunately, | can attest myself to being in close
situations and the fact that there hasn’t been an accident there if that’s the case, we’re lucky. So again, I’m going to vote
in favor of this because I’m giving deference to those who live in the neighborhoods up there.

Alderman Gouveia

Thank you Madam President. | have to agree with Alderman Clemons on this. | kind of sat on the fence. | did vote “yes”
in committee on it, but | do feel for the people who live in the surrounding area taking away that U-turn just isn’t the option
that we really have and I'll be voting “yes” on this. Thank you.

MOTION CARRIED

Ordinance O-22-004 declared duly adopted.

NEW BUSINESS — RESOLUTIONS

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R-22-014
Endorsers: Mayor Jim Donchess
Alderman-at-Large Michael B. O’Brien, Sr.
Alderman Patricia Klee
Alderman Thomas Lopez
Alderwoman-at-Large Shoshanna Kelly
Alderman Derek Thibeault
Alderman-at-Large Lori Wilshire
RELATIVE TO THE TRANSFER OF $44,400 FROM ACCOUNT 70100 “GENERAL CONTINGENCY” INTO
DEPARTMENT 179 “LIBRARY”, ACCOUNTING CLASSIFICATION 53 “PROFESSIONAL AND TECHNICAL
SERVICES” TO FUND HALF THE COST OF A FACILITY ASSESSMENT AND MASTER PLAN FOR THE LIBRARY
BUILDING
Given its first reading; Assigned to the BUDGET REVIEW COMMITTEE by President Wilshire

R-22-015
Endorsers: Alderman-at-Large Lori Wilshire
Alderman Richard A. Dowd
Alderman-at-Large Michael B. O’Brien, Sr.
Alderman John Sullivan
Alderman Patricia Klee
Alderman-at-Large Melbourne Moran, Jr.
Alderman Thomas Lopez
Alderman-at-Large Ben Clemons
Alderwoman-at-Large Shoshanna Kelly
Alderman Alex Comeau
Alderman Tyler Gouveia
Alderman John Cathey
Alderman Derek Thibeault
Alderwoman-at-Large Gloria Timmons
APPROVING THE COST ITEMS OF A COLLECTIVE BARGAINING AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE NASHUA
BOARD OF POLICE COMMISSIONERS AND TEAMSTERS LOCAL 633, FROM JULY 1, 2022 THROUGH JUNE 30,
2026
Given its first reading; Assigned to the BUDGET REVIEW COMMITTEE by President Wilshire

R-22-016
Endorsers: Alderman Richard A. Dowd
Alderman-at-Large Michael B. O’Brien, Sr.
Alderman John Sullivan
Alderman Patricia Klee
Alderman-at-Large Ben Clemons
Alderman Derek Thibeault
Alderwoman-at-Large Gloria Timmons
Alderman-at-Large Lori Wilshire
AUTHORIZING THE MAYOR AND CITY TREASURER TO ISSUE BONDS NOT TO EXCEED THE AMOUNT OF
FIVE MILLION DOLLARS ($5,000,000) FOR FRANKLIN STREET SCHOOL BUILDING IMPROVEMENTS
Given its first reading; Assigned to the BUDGET REVIEW COMMITTEE, BOARD OF EDUCATION, and schedule a
SPECIAL BOARD OF ALDERMAN PUBLIC HEARING on Monday, March 21, 2022 at 6:00 p.m. by President Wilshire

R-22-017
Endorsers: Alderman-at-Large Ben Clemons
Alderman-at-Large Michael B. O’Brien, Sr.
Alderman Patricia Klee
Alderman-at-Large Melbourne Moran, Jr.
Alderman Thomas Lopez
Alderman Richard A. Dowd
Alderman Derek Thibeault
Alderwoman-at-Large Gloria Timmons
AUTHORIZING THE MAYOR TO ENTER INTO A SECOND AMENDMENT TO THE 14 COURT STREET LEASE
FOR UNIT B WITH LIQUID THERAPY, LLC
Given its first reading; Assigned to the PERSONNEL/ADMINISTRATIVE AFFAIRS COMMITTEE by President Wilshire

Board of Aldermen 03-08-2022 Page 21

NEW BUSINESS — ORDINANCES

O0-22-010
Endorsers: Mayor Jim Donchess
Alderman Patricia Klee
Alderman-at-Large Melbourne Moran, Jr.
Alderman Thomas Lopez
Alderman-at-Large Ben Clemons
Alderman Derek Thibeault
AMENDING THE LAND USE CODE BY ADDING PROVISIONS REGARDING SYNTHETIC NICOTINE AND
ELECTRONIC SMOKING DEVICE SALES AND LOUNGES
Given its first reading; Assigned to the PLANNING AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT COMMITTEE, PLANNING
BOARD, and schedule a PUBLIC HEARING on Tuesday, April 19, 2022 at 7:00 p.m. by President Wilshire

PERIOD FOR GENERAL PUBLIG COMMENT

President Wilshire

Tonight we have Julie Saige. Please give your name and address for the record and you have 3 minutes to speak.

Julie Saige

Hello, my name is Julie Saige. | live at 38 Deerwood Drive. I’m here because | was lied about and defamed in the last
meeting and | need to set the record straight. Before | start with this, I'd like to thank the four Aldermen who specifically said
that it was wrong for people to be laughing at and knocking me while | was speaking. One thing that | was accused of is
having fear in my voice. That was not fear. It was me talking quickly because 3 minutes is not enough to discuss COVID
and masks.

Besides being accused of having this fear, this lady talked as she knew who | was but | have never met or seen in my entire
life. | cannot quote what these things she lied about so I’m going to paraphrase. She claimed that the information | gave
was taught in school. There is literally no school in America that is teaching about CCL11 in the brain. She said | needed
guidance and needed help in understanding the statistics and claimed the information | gave was outdated. She continued
to say that we needed to protect our children so we don’t continue to spiral down an echo chamber of fear and she pointed at
the screen where | was acting like | had some mental illness. She accused me of getting my information off of Facebook and
TikTok and not from talking to people and all these statements are just false. | made the mistake that someone on the Board
would have known who | was, so let me tell you a little about who | am.

As far as | can find, | am the most awarded teen with different experiments, inventions in areas of science. | am also a teen
who has won the most spots to have experiments (inaudible) with space with eight already in space and two more this year.
| was a New Hampshire State winner for the Discovery Education 3M Young Scientist Challenge and placed in the top 10 of
International Next-Gen Mask Challenge which was redesigning face masks to make them better. There were around 1,000
entries and | made it to the top 10 beating out top universities and engineering firms. | also have two provisional patents on
my face mask design. When it comes to masks, | am the expert. | also ran my own science news on YouTube and Twitter
for the last 6 years.

| get my information from actually talking to epidemiologists from around the world, pediatric doctors in multiple areas of
pediatrics, cardiologists, emergency room doctors, and nurses, etc. Since March 2020, | have switched completely and have
now only been doing news on Twitter dealing specifically with COVID. During this time, | was the first to say we need to be
more concerned about variants. That it was mutating faster that it was supposed to be. | got Apple to look at how to clean
their phones. | was the one that got people to stop (inaudible) masks because of material infection and other things. | was
also the first to say that we dropped masks too soon and people could catch COVID outside and the list goes on forever
which was all proven.

| understand physics and | understand particles. To think that | need guidance and understanding when some of the top
epidemiologists in the world follow me is insulting. | kind of shocked that a complete stranger was allowed to talk said she
knew anything about me? People try to say that masks are...

Donna Graham, Legislative Affairs Manager

30 seconds

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Julie Saige

...out of control but they want to control us especially kids in every aspect. She kept saying our children. | am not her child.
No one owns me. This also goes beyond ridicule and public. My family has been coughed on, spat on by adults, and | even
had a lit cigarette thrown at me the other day all because about wearing masks. When we contacted the police about this,
they said that they will do absolutely nothing about it. Nashua does not protect its children and this will happen again now
that the ordinance is rescinded. One more thing about who | am...

Donna Graham, Legislative Affairs Manager

Time
Daniel Saige

Hello. My name is Daniel Saige. I’m at 38 Deerwood. I’m actually going to talk about something a little bit different. | let my
daughter speak for herself. There was something that was said quite often that had me confused. | did a little bit of politics.
| ran for independent in California Governor. | grew up in lowa — learned that law is what’s important. You guys actually
have a great council here — legal counsel. But during the last meeting, a lot of people kept saying “mask mandate”. You
guys had an ordinance. You're the legislation branch. You don’t have mandates. Executive Branch has mandates through
departments and judicial branches have mandates. You have an ordinance. It’s just not the same thing. The problem when
you’re using these words wrong is people believe you can’t follow a mandate. You actually have a person come up and say
that “mandates aren’t legal’. A mandate from a court is very legal. If they tell you that you need to get psychiatric help, you
have to do it. A mandate from the Public Health office is mandatory. You have to do it. It causes where younger people
also will get confused. If they’re told that they have to follow this mandate and then they think that they don’t have to, or if
they think that it’s not an ordinance that it didn’t come from legislation. You guys actually did a good job in that.

When the Governor’s office did it, that was a mandate but you guys went through your branch. It’s just something that |
wanted to point out and I’m not sure how much you are getting the information from legal specifically about this. That’s
something to be very, very careful about. When people say they don’t like mandates so that’s why they were going to
rescind it, every ordinance you do is exactly the same thing. So it’s also kind of confusing there. It’s just one of those things
to bring to you guys’ attention.

Laurie Ortolano

Laurie Ortolano, 41 Berkeley Street, Nashua. I’d like to thank the Board for sending 14 Court Street back to the Budget
Committee for review.

I'd also like to ask the Mayor — you gave a nice presentation on our COVID numbers, but I’m wondering what level we’re at.
Usually you say if we’re at still at substantial and the website still has us at a substantial rate of transmission and I'd like to
know when that’s going to change.

I'd like to address the removal of the press table at the back of the room. So this is your Chamber collectively and | was told
that now Attorney Bolton is looking at putting a law library back there with some books. I'd kind of like to know. | got my
press pass, and I’m ready to report, and the table has been removed. So | think we should bring our press table back and if
you are going to have a law library back there, | think that’s terrific. | think you should dedicate a shelf to Right-to-Know Law
because | think we could use some polishing up on that.

As far as barriers go, that’s coming up tomorrow and I'd like to say I’ve done quite a bit of work looking at the data and a
friend of mine compiled all the surveys and information from February 22 and March 8 as of today. | think there is a lot of
data in there that shows there is not a lot of support for these barriers. I’m disappointed in the letter that went out from the
Mayor because | think that it was not clear, and it was convoluted, and it had a twisted view on what should be said. | know
Derek you're shaking your head “no”, but really you should allow me to speak and give me the courtesy to do that and then
you can state your position on what you see. Some of it’s debatable because its data on the way it’s written and | really
understand that. I’m looking at overall the response from the newspaper, the petitions that were signed, and the letters that
in both sets of information.

Finally I’d like to speak on safety. | really think that the two new Chiefs had a private meeting with Alderman O’Brien and
Tim Cummings to address the safety issues. | think these safety issues have been raised repeatedly by the public and |
think our safety officials should put in writing their concerns. No short, small meetings with pro-barrier people on how we’re
making accommodations. | think it’s reasonable that that be put in writing. Those are safety issues for our citizens so please
ask your Fire and Police Department to put in writing the safety issues.

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Finally, I’d like to let you know that | was up at the State House today giving testimony on the (inaudible) Bill for the Right-to-
Know office.

Donna Graham, Legislative Affairs Manager

30 seconds
Laurie Ortolano

| think that was very promising. It looks like it’s going to pass. That will allow citizens to file a Right-to-Know challenge for
$25 with an office, the (inaudible) office for Right-to-Know who will take the case and assist you with the challenge. | think it
will offer some nice benefits to controlling costs, getting answers, and creating better transparency for New Hampshire.
Thank you.

Karen Bill

Good evening. Karen Bill, 95 Parnell Place, Nashua. While | was reading through the 350-page Board of Alderman
package this afternoon, | was puzzled by the support for the keeping outside dining like someone said it was going away and
| was informed that the Mayor had sent a letter asking if residents wanted it to be continued like it was going away. It really
puzzled me and made me think a little bit about how information is disseminated sometimes in letters maybe from the Mayor,
but from a believable office like for the Police Commission and $4 million waiting in the wings for the PAC, and to get people
to vote for it, and then there’s not really $4 million waiting in the wings.

But really I’m here to speak about correspondence that | sent to the entire Board. | was advised that when | send something
to the entire Board - yes you get it and it’s in the meeting minutes, but what | wasn’t prepared for was no replies. Zero
replies. I’ve had a lengthy conversation with City Counsel about Right-to-Know. As you know, | sent three e-mails to
Director Cummings asking for minutes for the barrier meetings. When | said “Right-to-Know” in the fourth e-mail that | sent
to all of you, then | got a reply that said “I have no such document”. | talked about this last time | was here. The minutes
were on the website. | found them last week sometime when | downloaded them they were blank. | can’t make this up.

To file a Right-to-Know request to get a simple answer to a question is insulting and acting in bad faith. The City continues
to act in bad faith. Do you think 90,000 residents in Nashua, let’s say 60,000 of them — | think I’m pretty close are voting age
- how would you like 60,000 Right-to-Know requests to get a simple answer to a question? We just want records that should
be made available under the law. It is a law. It is a law that you have to register your car. Do you think Attorney Jette gets a
pass because he has Esquire behind his name and he doesn’t want to pay to register his car?

Donna Graham, Legislative Affairs Manager

30 seconds

Karen Bill

No if | were employed with a company and | broke the law, I'd be fired. There is no consequence in this city for ignoring the
law. It’s not about a person, it’s about behavior. Unlawful, deceptive, and condoned by leadership who should also be held
accountable.

You know tonight you swore somebody in who said they’d be impartial. | wonder if Mr. Cummings took that oath as well.
Again, management style - ignore them long enough and they'll go away. Well guess what, I’m a resident and | deserve for
my questions to be answered...

Donna Graham, Legislative Affairs Manager

Time.

President Wilshire

Your time is up Miss Bill.
Karen Bill

And I'd like to know who’s going to answer my questions Madam President. Is that unfair?

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President Wilshire

There isn’t a question and answer period.
Karen Bill
Well that’s just it, there doesn’t seem to be one.

President Wilshire

Your time is up Ms. Bill.
Karen Bill

According to law.
Elizabeth Lu

Elizabeth Lu, 17 Roby Street. First | just want to clarify every year what appropriations are not used revert to either being
redirected by Aldermanic approval to other uses for the upcoming fiscal year or the Mayor may assign it of his own choice to
a like use in the upcoming fiscal year. If you look at September 1, 2021 minutes of the Finance meeting at that time that year
none of the escrows were questioned except by myself. My question was why is it that we just paid the final bill on the roof
for 14 Court Street and yet we’re asking to escrow $750,000 for Court Street roof? So we had that discussion at the
September 1, 2021 Finance Committee meeting which you can find the minutes because at that time we had a
transcriptionist. We paid the final bill and the request was for the $750,000 to be put in again. By doing this what is required
is every year these funds that hadn’t been used as expected get looked at again. There is a period when these escrows are
looked at when you can weigh on whether they should be used for the original purpose or whether they should be redirected.

| also want to talk about the press table. | was here at the Infrastructure meeting and | was horrified to see a Board
Chairman humiliate one of our citizens as (inaudible) sat for over two.

Donna Graham, Legislative Affairs Manager

30 seconds
Elizabeth Lu
Did you say 10 seconds?

Donna Graham, Legislative Affairs Manager

30 seconds
Elizabeth Lu

Okay. The Chairman spoke to the gallery and embarrassed Ms. Ortolano just for kicks. It was ridiculous. To me this seems
like a petty issue and just put it back.

Finally President Wilshire, I’m asking you to please get a transcriptionist because my lawyer...

President Wilshire

Your time is up Ms. Lu.
Elizabeth Lu
| can’t finish my sentence?

President Wilshire

No, you’re done.

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Elizabeth Lu
| hope you'll all consider whether this makes sense, if this is a way to...

President Wilshire

We passed legislation for the time period. If you can’t be respectful of that, I’m sorry. There’s nothing | can do about it.
Elizabeth Lu
No I'm respectful. | just thought | could finish a sentence. Thank you.

Laura Colquhoun

Laura Colquhoun, 30 Greenwocd Drive. | wish you Miss Wilshire would be more respectful to the residents. I’d like to go on
the record I’ve never asked to have the money to be taken away from Court Street. What | do want is | want the residents to
be able to see that it is a losing proposition. We may in 10 years decide to make it a museum, which would be fine. The
problem is I'd like more transparency with the City of Nashua and obviously that is something that you, and a lot of the other
Board members, and the Mayor.

I'm also very upset with the Mayor’s e-mail going out because when you say “oh, let’s have outside dining”, well Nashua has
outside dining but it has nothing to do. You have to mention the barriers because most people are against the barriers.
That's all | have to say. | think it’s very petty that number one the last chamber had cushions on those chairs, and now there
is none, and now you've taken away the table. Shame on you all.

Scott McCullough

Yes, I'd like to comment on you guys are doing a fantastic job. Thank you to Mayor Jim Donchess and | would like to know if
Lori and everybody would be willing to make a team for the Best Buddies Friendship Walk coming up June 11 in Concord.
I'd like to know Mayor are you willing to donate some money or make a team for the Best Buddies Friendship Walk coming
up in Concord, NH? It’s for Best Buddies New Hampshire. | was just wondering if — oh | forgot to state my name. My name
is Scott McCullough, Congress Street, Building 49, Apt. 6. Sorry | forgot to do that. Sorry | forgot to do that Ms. Chair.

Sorry, | totally forgot to do that. I’d like to see if you guys could maybe make up a team for the Best Buddies Friendship Walk
or donate or Mike O’Brien and you guys could make a team.

Mayor Donchess

Well Scott, I’d be glad to donate. No Problem. I’m sure some of the Board will too.

Scott McCullough

If you guys would like to donate, you can go to www.bestbuddies.org. Look up Bangor Buddies on the Loose. Hopefully |
didn’t go too fast for you. Thank you and | greatly appreciate.

Keep up the good work and thank you for us having the mask mandate rid of because you don’t know how much that meant
to me when | went into work and they told me | didn’t have to wear a mask at my hotel no more. | love it, freedom!

President Wilshire

Thank you so much.

Matthew Gouthro

Thank you Madam Chair. I'll start over once again from my earlier comments. Matthew Gouthro, 104 Fawn Lane, here in
Nashua. Today in your meeting materials you received a proposal of a strategic plan for our public library by Jennifer
McCormick. Changes and enhancements for our library here in Nashua are long overdue. While | applaud the efforts to
make our library a more engaging and inclusive environment, as a Nashua resident I’m really disappointed in the state of the
physical building and its’ grounds. Not to take away from Alderman O’Brien’s previous comments on another item, but the
public grounds that surround this building is also tired. I’m astounded at how this City could let this public property get to this
point. | remember speaking with Jennifer McCormick last year during our Nashua City Academy and sharing with her how
this is not a really welcoming environment. Actually for my 4 year old who is an avid reader, she finds this place pretty scary.

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You see this dark overgrown littered mess that seems to welcome only vagrants these days. Instead of creating an
unneeded pedestrian mall by closing off traffic lanes on our historic Main Street, maybe our Mayor or this Board of Alderman
can focus your efforts on cleaning up the dilapidated grounds around our Public Library and restoring the publics’ interest in
the grand institution of its own very public library. Thank you very much.

President Wilshire

Thank you.
REMARKS BY THE MEMBERS OF THE BOARD OF ALDERMEN

Alderman Thibeault

Yes, | have afew. I’m going to start with the comments that were made in the public session. For Mrs. Ortolano, | was
shaking my head and she can speak right through that, | didn’t interrupt her. The reason that | was shaking my head was
because of what she said about surveys, and data, and then the Mayor’s letter. On the data and surveys, the Telegraph
took a survey of 3,000 people out of 90,000 and came up with an 80% against barriers. What was it based on? Was it
based on the new proposal? Who is the segment? I’m hoping to hear all this tomorrow. Who is the segment? Was it north,
south, Main Street, was it business owners? Say the Paul Shea’s survey, right, so people may think | support Paul Shea’s
survey because | like Paul Shea. But it’s the same thing. | don’t know where that data is coming from. | don’t know where
Facebook poll data is coming from, but | tell you right now, the amount of e-mails we got and everybody here we’re all getting
the same emails. We're getting more for expanded dining and you can say that’s the Mayor’s e-mail, but I'll tell you these
Aldermen here, and | guarantee you there’s Aldermen here, that are posting their own stuff to their Facebook to their groups
or sending e-mail letters. | mean | sent one to my group, but | didn’t say | was for or again it. | said “here is what’s going to
happen next week whether you are for it or against it come out. If you’re a business owner on Main Street come out, if you
work on Main Street come out, if you live in the north and you hate the going down Main Street come out. If love going out
and having dinner on a beautiful summer night, come out. | don’t care what your opinion is | want you here to tell us your
opinion and then I'll think about it and make a decision.” But to say the Mayor’s letter influenced more of the City, or to come
up with a 3,000 survey, or a petition that was done on the old proposal, or to say the police or fire are against it on the old
proposal is nonsense. That’s why | was shaking my head. | want to hear from the police, and fire, and AMR now on the new
proposal that we will hear tomorrow night from Director Cummings. That’s what | want to hear and that is how I'll make my
decision and I'll listen to all the people that come tomorrow night that’s how | make decisions. | don’t make decisions on
faulty nonsense and | don’t care what political party the poll is done on. If you can’t tell me where the data is coming from,
I’m not going to believe it I’m sorry.

So as far as Miss Bill, if you’re in my Ward I'll respond to you but | expect wherever you live that person will respond to you.
I’m not going to respond to you unless you’re in my Ward or unless you talk to me directly.

Two other things — Miss Saige thank you for coming. This is why | got into this. She was maligned at that meeting and | did
speak out at that meeting. | don’t Know if anyone else did, there wasn’t many of us. That was uncalled for and what has
been happening to her is uncalled for. It’s just not cool and she sounds like she’s smarter than most adults and maybe
smarter than some of us. Probably certainly smarter than me and it takes a lot of courage to come here after that and speak
in front of us all. | applaud her and thank you. Even some of the Aldermen who spoke to what she said last week called her
“Saige”. Her last name is Saige. Miss Saige, right? Let’s get this right and | thought we did a bad job there.

And the last thing is we referred the Court Street to the Budget Committee after the first reading. So | hear people saying
well | want to know more about it. It went to the Budget Committee. Why didn’t we have more information then? Why didn’t
we ask the questions then? What has come up now that we didn’t know about then? So that’s why | was going to say let’s
vote for it now, let’s not refer it back to Committee to go through it all again. It doesn’t make sense. If we’re not prepared
when we come to this, then why are we doing this? That's it.

Alderman Cathey

I'll start off by responding to Alderman Thibeault since | was on the Budget Committee. | did recommend it primarily
because | thought, full disclosure that we still have to put money into the account anyway. If | felt like that account was
useless, | could vote “no”. Now granted that gives a chance for money to go into the account because the trust exists.
However after that meeting like we stated (I’m sure you guys have the email from Director Kleiner about revenues and
expenses) that was something that | didn’t know. | didn’t Know about the original resolution. | didn’t know about the roof
going under capital improvements. There were a lot of things that revolve around Court Street that were not immediately
known and | don’t even know if | would have been able to know to look them up like the original resolution. So knowing
that now, | don’t think further discussion really harms anyone when we're trying to talk about how to spend money and